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Golden Dawn Murderers

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We all know the name of the Greek rapper murdered in Athens recently. His death has led to the downfall of Golden Dawn. This, as we know, is not the first murderous attack by Golden Dawn. Hundreds of immigrants have been attacked. Hundreds. In case we forget, as many journalists we are seeing today have, the name of another person murdered by fascists. His name was Shehzad Luqman. He was 27 years old when he was murdered in January this year.

 

Shehzad Luqman RIP.

We will not forget you or the hundreds of others who have suffered at the hands of Golden Dawn.

Who was Shehzad Luqman? at I Can’t Relax in Greece

 

NEVER AGAIN

48 Comments

  1. Bla
    October 2, 2013    

    diva did they ever catch the murder of this Pakistani Young man?

    And was he in fact a member of the golden dawn? or the leaders of golden dawn?

    what if it was someone who was just mugging him for cash?
    what if it was an Albanian who he had a fight with or an ordinary Greek who was a drug addict who want to take his money for drugs etc.?

    see you need to make a distinction between party members and parties.

    Cause in Manolada (the bloody strawberries) the victimizers were actually Pasok members and voters. BUT that by no means that Pasok advocates attacking illegal immigrant workers.

    Anyway regardless of what you think arresting golden dawn elected officials because of someone elses crime is just an attempt to silence a party that the New democracty and Pasok and others want silenced.

    So if one black murders some whites are all blacks murderers?

    You do not know what democracy means if you think that anyone with a nationalist view deserves to be put into prison or should not be allowed to argue their case in public.

    Do i think some street thugs probably did do crimes yes. But in terms of their views of the need to deport illegal and even some legal immigrants I totally agree.

    Even separate from the economic crisis, I oppose the mass immigration and inclusion of so many people into Greece because Greeks are in danger of becoming a minority in this land and thats just not desireable that is death for us so I totally identify with the need to reduce the uninvited and unwanted presence of the magnitude of immigrants here. whether they be Eastern European, Albanian “white”, black, afghani etc.

    If times were better and we were not so flooded with migrants and had the infrastructure to assimilate a very few perhaps needed immigrants and true asylum seekers I would have no problem with that. But as you have correctly pointed out:

    Criminal Pasok and New Democracy have stolen the money the EU gave them for that

    So there are no resources to bring in these people and help them and the local communities deal with them.

    The need is far greater than the resources

    the amount here already is too many and its not stopping because of zionist inspired wars that America and the UK have been instigating at the behedst of their masters in Tel aviv.

    I find it shocking that Samaras did this only after meeting 4 times very recently with various Jewish and Israeli organizations who basically ordered him to do this illegal undemocratic practice Meanwhile. how do the Jews/Israel feel about non-Jewish immigration into Israel?
    how about their native minorties? wher eis the WJC and ADL and all the other groups in demanding that Israel ban the equivalent of Golden Dawn = SHas party and the other radical Settler parties? and their hate speech..

    WJC etc. all cry about antisemitism but are full of anti-gentilism

    Christians get spit on by Jewish Yeshiva students and there are never any arrests or hate crime charges? Palestinian muslim and christians routinely have their rights violated.
    ADL is on record as saying its antisemitic to endorse the right of the return of all Arabs to their homes because that would mean Israel would not retain its Jewish character….well if Greeks or any european nation…lets anybody at nay numbers in they will loose their Greek, Swedish, spanish etc. characters

    Golden dawn leadership said they condemn the murder of the rapper. So you can not saw the murder of this rapper was ordered by golden dawn why would they do that when they are on the rise getting more publci support? thats stupid.

    In any case, I do think the leadership of that organization wasted a lot of time on irrelevant issues to the issues of the day today. and one can argue back and forth whether they view
    non-greeks as subhuman….what eleni aroulia was referring to was the rapist who attacked that girl over a year ago.

    In any case this is ridiculous 400,000 greek voted for thsi party because of the mass immigration problem, financial chaos and more importantly the blatant although more high brow criminality of the other parties.

    If Golden Dawn is a criminal organization well then So is PASOK and ND although perhaps they did not beat someone up in the street. maybe it was ND or Pasok supporter who blew up two golden dawn office potentially killing or injuring dozens people many who would not even be non golden dawn persons who live in the nearby buildings.

  2. deviousdiva
    October 3, 2013    

    They did catch the suspects who were Golden Dawn supporters but I do not know if they went to trial or were jailed or anything else. There was no follow up news that I could find. They were caught because a witness to the stabbing, a Greek taxi driver, followed them until they were arrested by police.

    The two suspects, whom police tracked down near Syntagma Square using physical descriptions provided by witnesses, allegedly admitted to the assault during questioning.

    via Kathimerini

    As is the case with the 900 reported attacks, beatings and stabbings of immigrants (averaging one a day), scant information is given in the media who I blame for not bring this violent tsunami of racially motivated crime to the public’s attention.

    The Manolada shootings were not committed by Golden Dawn. I said at the time that I blame Golden Dawn for creating the environment that makes it OK to abuse and attack immigrants. People (including yourself) are so quick to point out that they were Pasok voters. Yes, they were. But Pasok does not advocate violence against anyone. Golden Dawn do. That’s the difference.

    The bottom line is Golden Dawn is a criminal organisation and should never have been allowed to become a political party. In 1993 the Supreme Court allowed the registration of the party whose founding statement clearly states that “the democratic way of governance has no place in our movement.”. Why they allowed their registration is a question that needs answering. The blame for that lies entirely with previous governments and the judiciary.

    Golden Dawn was elected in June 2012 but it was not until August that the party submitted a proper charter to the Supreme Court. This is unbelievable to me. People did not know what they were voting for. Even their election slogan was illegal by European Law; “Let’s rid this country of filth”.

    Anyway Bla, I am not going to your anti-Jewish rant. I allowed the comment to stand only because I wanted to respond to the first part. The rest about Zionist conspiracies… Not interested.

  3. Bla
    October 5, 2013    

    Christians get spit on by Jewish Yeshiva students and there are never any arrests or hate crime charges? Palestinian muslim and christians routinely have their rights violated.
    ADL is on record as saying its antisemitic to endorse the right of the return of all Arabs to their homes because that would mean Israel would not retain its Jewish character….well if Greeks or any european nation…lets anybody at nay numbers in they will loose their Greek, Swedish, spanish etc. characters

    I dont see how pointing out facts is anti-semitic unless the truth is antisemitic.

    The Golden Dawn maybe an extreme group but WJC has no business saying anything about it if they refuse to condemn Shas

    Shas = Jewish version of Golden Dawn

    no condemnation or demand for the end of Shas or similar parties = you (not you Diva) have no leg to stand on in speaking of Golden Dawn.

    and the climate of ant-genitlism is so severe that many Christians have fled.

    now as far as Greece and Europe are concerned and Golden Dawn.

    The EU/IMF/Troika have their share to blame.
    The mainstream parties are even more to blame.

    Golden Dawn is Golden Dawn. who gave them their victories. Samaras, Venizelos, etc

    If there were sensible leaders none of these problems in society would have gotten this out of hand making people feel that their only choice was Golden Dawn.

    But Samaras cares more about what David Harris thinks, what Merkel wants and not about his literally starving people.

  4. deviousdiva
    October 5, 2013    

    Let’s not confuse what happens in Israel with what is happening in Greece. There are many groups and committees that have plenty of issues that they need to deal with elsewhere. However, let’s comment on Golden Dawn and what is happening in Greece. The Greek Jewish community has EVERY right to voice an opinion about Golden Dawn. They have suffered decades of anti-semitic attacks and vandalism against their sacred places. Both verbally and physically. They have EVERY right to speak up and to seek help from Jewish communities, other international organisations and the rest of the human race. We also, as citizens in a democratic country or as part of the democratic world, have the right to speak up against attacks against us. That is not a conditional right ie: you can only speak if you say this or that. No, we are allowed to condemn the actions of an organisation that commits crimes against our fellow citizens regardless of our stance on other issues. For example, I have the right to speak up against Golden Dawn regardless of my stance on other issues pertaining to other political parties. I can speak up against Golden Dawn regardless of whether I speak up against other political parties.

    I have had this argument many times with pro-Golden Dawners and fascists and so on. They love to tell me that I do not have the right to say anything against GD because I haven’t made my position clear on FYROM for example. Or because I don’t condemn Israel etc etc. This is an attempt to shut down the opinions of people they disagree with.

    Samaras and his government have a lot to answer for, as do previous governments here in Greece. Perhaps their actions brought about the rise of Golden Dawn BUT Golden Dawn must be judged on its own actions and not excused because previous or current governments allowed them to flourish. I am not entirely sure what Samaras cares about and what the government is going to do to bring us out of the current crisis but this is a separate issue to the arrests of Golden Dawn members for criminal activities. Regardless of who initiated the action and why, it had to be done. You cannot have criminals sitting in Parliament in a democratic country.

  5. Guest (xenos)
    October 8, 2013    

    Ah, I see the Chryssi Avgi troll is still active here.

  6. Guest (xenos)
    October 9, 2013    

    DD: I recommend that you remove such libellous rants. Although they do reveal the hysterical paranoia and nationalistic ravings of fascists, we have seen quite enough of them. They are more adequately located in psychiatric wards.

    If you choose to leave it, please delete my initials from the incoherent rant.

  7. deviousdiva
    October 9, 2013    

    I tried to read your latest comment Bla but I suspect you were more than a bit drunk or something when you wrote it. It really doesn’t make much sense. As I told you before, I will not answer any comments about conspiracies of any kind. And I will not have anti-semitic or racist rants on my site. And do not refer to me as a slave. You are offensive and obnoxious.

    I have put your comments on moderation because one of my rules is that NO PERSONAL INFORMATION WHATSOEVER WILL BE TOLERATED. If you think I’m making this up (which I’m sure your paranoid mind will tell you I am), please read my comment policy (at the top of the page) again. In case you don’t bother, here are the relevant lines:

    People who attack and insult people personally on this blog will have their names dropped into my moderation list. This is so that if you have something to say (yes, even if you disagree with me!) and you say it without rudeness and name-calling, I can approve it once I’ve seen it.

    and this:


    ALL COMMENTS ALLUDING TO OLD PERSONAL ATTACKS OR CONTAINING PERSONAL INFORMATION WILL ALSO BE DELETED.

    and this section you need to read carefully:

    SHOULD YOU COMMENT ON THIS BLOG?

    If you think that sexism/racism/homophobia is over, do not comment.

    If you have ten or less standard responses to sexism/racism/homophobia, do not comment.

    If you cannot see anything beyond the colour of my skin or my gender. do not comment.

    If you are going to call me by some demeaning endearment like cupcake, baby or darling, do not comment.

    If you feel so threatened by me that you need to become a big-mouthed bully, do not comment.

    If you feel compelled to write the same comment on many different blogs, do not comment.

    If you have read 5% of what I actually wrote and made up the rest, do not comment.

    If you get a kick out of putting people down, do not comment.

    If you are going to go away and write a feeble, insulting post about me and then try and advertise it here, do not comment.

    If you disagree with what I say but cannot cope with people responding, do not comment.

  8. Guest (xenos)
    October 10, 2013    

    Please remove my personal name. This is a clear case of troublemaking.

  9. deviousdiva
    October 10, 2013    

    I was going through the comments late at night and forgot to delete the one I was replying to!I’ve put “Bla” into moderation so his comments can’t automatically get through AND explained why!

  10. Guest (xenos)
    October 12, 2013    

    Thanks. I think this is a fair policy; I do not go around trying to identify individuals posting on discussion blogs, and I do not see why anyone else should either. This is even more serious where violent thugs like XA are potentially involved.

  11. Keith
    October 20, 2013    

    English Defence League is by far a much bigger problem. Do-gooding Brits in Greece will do well to get our house in order before we start preaching to bankrupt Southern Europeans about their problems with racists/fascists imo…

  12. keith
    October 22, 2013    

    Any news on the little girl Maria who was abducted by Roma in Greece? I would have thought that this site would be informing its’ readers about the story. It’s been over week and still nothing on this site.

  13. Guest (xenos)
    October 28, 2013    

    The EDL is not a bigger problem, so you can cut that out. As far as the Roma are concerned, nobody seems to have much idea of what is going on, including the police. When the truth is finally revealed, maybe there will be something to say.

    I presume that you are not British and are actually a supporter of Gilded Trash, judging from the propagandistic nature of your two comments here.

  14. Keith
    October 28, 2013    

    EDL is a much bigger problem. In both scope and numbers. Worryingly, their Islamophobic and racist ideology seems to be supported by a large swathe of the British public. To a much greater extent than Greek public support Golden Dawn, judging from latest opinion polls. So, this makes our country more racist imo.
    We should be sweeping out this EDL trash like the Greek authorities have done with Golden Dawn. Instead we have to look on helpless while they parade through our cities chanting their hate speech to adoring crowds of filth.
    We could learn a thing or two from the Greeks in how to take out the trash…but too many of our do-gooders are abroad preaching to bankrupt countries instead of helping take care of our problems at home, which are much much bigger and much more dangerous.

  15. Felis Catus
    October 30, 2013    

    @Keith, why don’t you do it then since you are concerned. Some people, Brits or others, who live in Greece care about Greece. Since the EDL is such a problem as you mention, why not start a blog in the UK like this person did and do something. Or did you just want to preach and be a trollmeister?

  16. keith
    October 30, 2013    

    I am not against Brits who live in Greece supporting anti-fascist causes in Greece. What annoys me is the sanctimonious holier-than-thou attitude which pervades blogs such as these, as if we Brits and (Americans) have the moral high ground and can preach to poor countries about their problems.
    Our country (and the US) is much worse when it comes to tackling racism and human rights issues. Unlike the Greeks, we are tolerating the racist BNP and EDL in the UK, and the Americans shoot Mexicans on sight at the border for god’s sake! We can learn a thing or two from the cultures we are trying to lecture. These countries know what there problems are and they have many people trying to change things. As we can see, the Greek government is shutting these racists down.
    We don’t need input from do-gooding Brits who think they have a duty to “educate the natives”. In fact, these societies are much more advanced than ours when talking about shutting down the racists not to mention providing care for the elderly, nurturing of children, and the importance of family, much more so than our countries anyway. We can learn a thing or two from them. So, instead of trying to preach to them about how backward their countries are and how we have all the answers, why not try and be a little more humble and less insulting and do something about our problems, which are much worse and much more ingrained in our society. We don’t have the answers and certainly don’t have a moral high ground. We need their help to fix our broken country, not the other way round.

  17. deviousdiva
    October 30, 2013    

    @keith,

    You know something? I’m really, really tired of people telling me that I’m basically not allowed to be critical of anything or anyone or any place just because I’m British. I have lived here for almost 20 years. I learned the Greek. I learned about Greek culture. I have been part of my friends celebrations, weddings, baptisms, birthdays etc. I have celebrated the births of my friends children, been heartbroken by my friend’s tragedies. The kid was born here. He was educated in state school. He is as Greek as it is possible for a non-Greek to be. He has several surrogate yiayias. We are part of our neighbourhood. We are on daily chatting basis wth our local bakers, butchers and supermarket staff. We have all have contributed as much as it is possible to contribute short of serving in the military (which none of us are allowed to do even if we wanted to). The kid sees his future here as do we. I pay all my taxes and all my bills. I work hard and play equally hard. I contribute culturally to this city that I call my own.

    So you understand…I am really really tired of being told that I cannot say something about things that threaten not only myself and my family but other citizens of this country. I have never been holier than though. I have, on so many occasions, stated that I KNOW things are bad in other countries and especially in the country of my birth! I have never preached anything. I am simply bringing information that I am interested in and concerned about and I write my opinion about it. Yes, there are many many people here (and I know many) who are working on the same “cause” as me. This is my small corner of the internet. My very humble blog that is a place to write my opinion.

    I find it insulting and rather arrogant for you to come here, into my space, and tell me what I can and cannot write about. I am very, very tired of this conversation. I don’t say this often and perhaps I should say it more… if you don’t like it, go somewhere else. There are millions of websites and blogs and groups and forums. Don’t come here and tell me how to run mine.

  18. keith
    October 31, 2013    

    There is only one arrogant person on here that i can see. And he’s a sanctimonious Brit who’s been telling us for years how backward Greeks are. You’ve been supporting him for years even in the face of flagrant transgressions of your comment policy. He’s abused people, called them names, he’s abused a whole nation calling them inherently lazy, inbred and god knows what else, yet he continues to post here with your approval. (No, your “wrist slapping” is not enough in his case, he’s a repeat offender). If he said those things repeatedly about black people he would no doubt be banned, and rightly so, but why doesn’t this apply for hate speech against southern Europeans? Why do you apply this glaring double standard on your blog? His continuous insults and generalisations against Greeks and southern Europeans have gone unpunished on here for years.
    When will the serial transgressor of your comment policy be banned? No, not warned, but banned like the rest of the vile posters who post abuse, generalisations and negative stereotyping against a whole group of people.

  19. Guest (xenos)
    October 31, 2013    

    I think the evidence is clear here, that “Keith” is no Brit and is a trouble-making Nazi supporter (presumably Greek) trolling your site.

    And of course, his lies about the problems in the UK with right wing parties is just pathetic. Even though the UK has serious problems with racism and economic issues, there is no such disgusting thing as mass support for a Nazi party.

    Please ban him and all the criminals who wish to impose Nazi values on the world.

  20. keith
    October 31, 2013    

    There is only one person who deserves to be banned and we all know who that is, Xenos(phobe). For all the nasty bigoted things you’ve said over the years against Greek people and southern Europeans, you deserve to be booted out of here like the Greek government has done to the Nazis.
    BOOT THE RACIST SCUM OUT!

  21. Guest (xenos)
    October 31, 2013    

    The scum here consists entirely of you and the trolls for Golden Dawn. I presume that you are that half-wit in Portugal, who has nothing to do with Greece but started trolling years ago on DD’s previous site. With your nasty little troll mind, you try to carry on a vendetta against me and others. Little creep.

    Go away, you are not welcome here by anyone with your pathetic political correctness and overwhelming ignorance. Mind your own business, and keep to the country you live in and the one where you have citizenship. Your dirty long nose has no business here.

  22. keith
    November 1, 2013    

    “Mind your own business” says the whiney little Englander living in Greece complaining about Greeks….practice what you preach fool.
    I hope the Greek government extends the scope of it’s neo-Nazi bashing to give racist little pricks like you the heave-ho. Your bigoted views and negative stereotyping is bound to be highlighted with all the focus now on the neo-Nazis.. It won’t be long before all racist scum is given the boot from Greece.

  23. Guest (xenos)
    November 1, 2013    

    You are a nasty little troll, going around the internet trying to cause trouble so that you feel important. I know what is racist and what is not, as opposed to your ignorant personal opinion based on nothing other than the gases emanating from your backside.

    The idea that you dare to mention in the same breath decent people who actively oppose racial and other discrimination alongside Nazi thugs is so preposterous that only a cretin full of excrement could speak like that. In an organised world, you would be banned from ever accessing the internet, to protect society from your malicious and generally obnoxious character.

  24. keith
    November 1, 2013    

    Racists are racists, whether they wear jack boots and go round sieg heiling or sit at their computer writing foul generalisations and racist stereotypes against a group of people. You qualify in the latter category and no amount of back-tracking or obfuscation will change this fact. You’ve written some pretty foul things about southern European people. You can call me “nasty” and “obnoxious” but at least i’m not a racist, the very thing you say you despise and criticise others for, is the very thing you are, hypocrite.

    Anyway, i’m not here to get into inane discussions with a racist, we all know what you are, the record is there for all to see. You cannot unsay what you’ve said, the only thing you can do now is seek forgiveness by apologising to the people you’ve hurt and desist from making anymore derogatory and downright racist comments on this blog and elsewhere where you’ve spouted your racist shite.

  25. Guest (xenos)
    November 1, 2013    

    No the record is not there, only your own ignorant opinion. It is your excrement that is polluting the web not my legitimate comments. Your discussions are inane because you have no idea what racism is about, not having been a victim of it nor having any scientific expertise in the matter. I have experiences of both.

    So, just clear off and leave discussion to people who actually know what they are talking about and who live in Greece.

  26. keith
    November 2, 2013    

    Where is my post? (Oh I remember now, the owner of this blog makes posts disappear if they strike a nerve, then pleads innocence by saying it was probably a software error…).

    Missing posts usually indicates that the cage has well and truly been rattled …

    Message to the racist Brits in here: stop posting your hypocritical nonsense, our country is much worse than Greece on race and anti-fascism issues. Stop pretending we can teach Greeks and southern Europeans about how to improve their country on race issues. We screwed up our own country and now go abroad and pretend we can improve foreign countries. We are shite at dealing with racism. This is because many Brits are racist to begin with, like xenos(phobe).

  27. deviousdiva
    November 27, 2013    

    @ Keith
    No. No software errors. I trashed your comment. I will not have people accusing me of killing people. Or causing the death of anyone. However much I hate the ideology of Golden Dawn and hate their actions, I have never advocated violence against them in any way. The killing of two members of Golden Dawn does not make me happy. I did not bring it about and I will not allow anyone to accuse me of it. This is not a public forum for your hatred. It’s my blog not a news organisation or political party. I am under no obligation to host your comments here.

  28. Keith
    November 27, 2013    

    I didn’t accuse you of “killing” anyone…your insinuation is absurd…
    You are just using this as an excuse to erase my posts. If you left my post then people could see that I made no such absurd claim.

    You are just unhappy that I’ve rattled your cage and that I will not allow you to get away with hosting the bigotted comments of a certain individual who you’ve allowed free rein in here for many years.

    You are under no obligation to host my comments here, but by deleting opposing viewpoints which have not transgressed your comment policy in any way, leaves you open to accusations of bias and silencing free speech and open debate. The very thing you claim to despise, is the very thing which you are practising in your blog.

  29. keith
    November 27, 2013    

    PS. I believe you have confused me with someone else as I made no such absurd claim. Please review your records and when you discover your error, I would appreciate a full and frank apology for falsely accusing me of making such a serious accusation.

  30. deviousdiva
    November 28, 2013    

    @keith,
    I am really sincerely sorry. I did get you confused with someone else on that comment. It was a horrible mistake. The comment was made and I fired off in anger, which I rarely do, but in this case that is what happened.

    Please accept my apologies and I will strive not to make that mistake again.

  31. Guest
    December 27, 2013    

    DD, you should not apologise to trash like this malicious cretin who makes accusations against everyone except himself. He continues to post lies and propaganda about how Greeks are not racist, when it is the only country in Europe with a Nazi political party polling over 10% in support. This would be bad enough if he lived here, but the ignoramus has nothng to do with Greece. He is a troll, and should be banned as such.

    Freedom of expression does not extend to trolling and propaganda.

  32. Keith
    December 28, 2013    

    Guest, I suggest you refrain from personal attacks as it’s against the forum’s comment policy.

    It’s very refreshing that Greece is shutting down the Nazi party. Cameron should take a leaf out of Samaras’ book and do the same against the BNP and the EDL. But no, our country has a terrible record of tackling racism, we just allow sick individuals to spout their filth and form racist political parties without ever tackling the problem on a political level.

    That’s because we have people like Xenos(phobe) who masquerade as anti-fascists/racists spouting his sanctimonious bullcrap about tackiling racism, while at the same time harbouring some pretty foul and disgusting bigotted views. Closet racists in high positions of power and influence has always been our problem. This was exposed in the Macpherson Report where all our major institutions including the Police, the Army, Schools, Employment sector were exposed as being Institutionally Racist.

    There is nothing more dangerous than a closet racist in positions of influence. Xenos(phobe) is the Enoch Powell of this blog. Racist to the core, masquerading as a public servant, respected in some circles, with a lot of influence, spouting his racist filth against Southern Europeans under the guise of a public service. Do us all a favour Diva and give him the boot. He’s been given dozens of “second chances” but keeps flouting your comment policy. It can’t have escaped your notice that he’s written many racist things about Southern European people which, if they were addressed to Pakistanis or blacks would have identified him as the racist that he is. Why is this proven racist allowed free rein to post on your blog while other racists have been rightly banned? Why the double standard?

    Whilst on the issue of racist Brits, if Greece can shut down racist/fascist parties with such a limited economy, what’s our excuse?

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/30/far-right-day-demonstrations-england

  33. Keith
    December 28, 2013    

    Xenos(phobe), I suggest you refrain from personal attacks as it’s against the forum’s comment policy.

    It’s very refreshing that Greece is shutting down the Nazi party. Cameron should take a leaf out of Samaras’ book and do the same against the BNP and the EDL. But no, our country has a terrible record of tackling racism, we allow sick individuals to spout their filth and form racist political parties without ever tackling the problem at a political level like Greece is doing.

    That’s because we have people like Xenos(phobe) who masquerade as anti-fascists/racists spouting his sanctimonious bullcrap about tackiling racism, while at the same time harbouring the most foul and abusive bigotted views. Closet racists in positions of influence have always been our biggest problem in the UK. This was proven in the Macpherson Report where all our major institutions including the Police, the Army, Schools, Employment sector were exposed as being Institutionally Racist.

    There is nothing more dangerous than a closet racist in positions of influence. Xenos(phobe) is the Enoch Powell of this blog. Racist to the core, masquerading as a public servant, respected in some circles, with a lot of influence, spouting his racist filth against Southern Europeans under the guise of public service. Do us all a favour Diva and give him the boot. He’s been given dozens of “second chances” but keeps flouting your comment policy. It can’t have escaped your notice that he’s written many racist things about Southern European people which, if the same disgusting words were directed to Pakistanis or blacks would have identified him as the racist that he is. Why is this proven racist allowed free rein to post on your blog while other racists have been rightly banned? Why the double standard?

    Whilst on the issue of racist Brits, if Greece can shut down racist/fascist parties with such a limited economy and resources, what’s our excuse in the UK?
    Too many Xenos(phobes)..

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/30/far-right-day-demonstrations-england

  34. Keith
    December 29, 2013    

    Guest, I suggest you refrain from personal attacks as it’s against the forum’s comment policy.

    It’s very refreshing that Greece is shutting down the Nazi party. Cameron should take a leaf out of Samaras’ book and do the same against the BNP and the EDL. But no, our country has a terrible record of tackling racism, we just allow sick individuals to spout their filth and form racist political parties without ever tackling the problem on a political level.

    That’s because we have people like Xenos(phobe) who masquerade as anti-fascists/racists spouting sanctimonious bullcrap about tackling racism, while at the same time harbouring some pretty foul and disgusting bigotted views. Closet racists in high positions of influence has always been our problem. This was exposed in the Macpherson Report where all our major institutions including the Police, the Army, Schools, Employment sector were exposed as being Institutionally Racist.

    There is nothing more dangerous than a closet racist in positions of influence. Xenos(phobe) is the Enoch Powell of this blog. Racist to the core, masquerading as a public servant, spouting his racist filth under the guise of public service.

    Why is this proven racist allowed free rein to post on this blog while other racists have been rightly banned? Do us all a favour and give him the boot Diva.

    Whilst on the issue of racist Brits, if Greece can shut down racist/fascist parties with such a limited economy, what’s our excuse?

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/30/far-right-day-demonstrations-england

  35. Guest
    December 30, 2013    

    Moron and hypocrite, who knows nothing about Greece and does not live here. Your posts are not welcome, and your stupid comments about GD are just political correctness.

    Moreover, your accusations towards me of racism are legally actionable, I am considering taking a lawyer to force DD to ban your posts.

  36. Keith
    December 30, 2013    

    I welcome any opportunity to argue in a court of law that your comments about Southern Europeans are racist. You are of course welcome to initiate any legal proceedings against me and pay hefty legal charges when you lose.

    Among the things you said about Greeks is that they’re “inherently lazy”, and they are naturally prone to corruption and their commitment to religion is based on superstition rather than faith. You have insulted their culture, their character, their religion and their nation. You’ve done the same for Spaniards and Italians too. You’ve spouted the most awful generalisations and stereotypes imaginable. I could go on but i’ll save it for the court case.

    Try saying blacks are “inherently lazy” in the UK and see what you’ll get. You’ll get thrown into jail for inciting racial hatred. That’s why you’re holed up in Greece and won’t venture back to Blighty because you’ll get the full weight of the law for uttering your racist filth.

    http://yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/right-of-free-expression/criminal-law-restrictions-on-freedom-of-expression/racial-hatred.html

  37. deviousdiva
    January 2, 2014    

    I am considering taking a lawyer to force DD to ban your posts

    Really? How would that work? Should I expect a call one day forcing me to ban people? I am sure this is just an idle threat but I am quite surprised that you would stoop to this kind of talk. You have given as good as you get as far as I can see. People on both sides have argued for this person or that person to be banned. It’s getting silly now. If you insult people and they insult you back, why are you surprised? That’s human nature. If you don’t like the arguing, why get involved? You have been a long time guest on this blog so I am surprised at your threat of a lawyer.

  38. Guest
    January 3, 2014    

    DD, if you think that you have no legal accountability for what is posted here, you are wrong.

    The fact that my name is no longer displayed here makes it unlikely that a defamation legal action would be feasible. However, this piece of shit that you allow to post here claiming that I am a racist is committing libel. Your personal opinion is not relevant: this is a legal fact.

  39. January 3, 2014    

    If you wish it to come to that, then so be it. I don’t think you would stand a chance of winning anything in court with your history of commenting here. Do you have a full history of your contributions? I could send it to you if you would like me to? To see if you have a case?

    I am not banning you or Keith. You have called him a racist. He called you a racist. I’ve been called a racist here so many times it’s ridiculous. I would never dream of taking it to court. I would prefer to argue my position or explain things more clearly if they have been misunderstood. Judging from email messages and comments I have received, I reckon that’s working for me.

  40. NakeFAME
    January 3, 2014    

    DD, I have to admit that I do enjoy the DD version of the Hatfields and the McCoys (LOL) with these two guys arguing back and forth for years now. I seem to remember reading about this argument back in 2005 or 2006??? Makes for interesting reading no doubt. I wonder if Keith (not sure if his name) or Guest(?) would speak to each other in person at a bar like that. Remarkably, I imagine they probably might even get along if they just had a chance to get to know each other. So, for 2014, why can’t you both just be polite to each other. If not, then OK, I’ll enjoy some interesting banter for another year.. :)

  41. Keith
    January 4, 2014    

    Why take your frustrations out on DD? Your problem is with me so quit threatening DD with court action. She provides the forum to express our views but we are ultimately responsible for what we say. We can all see through your cowardly attempts to frighten DD into banning me, but she’s not buying and it’s making you look rather foolish.
    Grow a pair and take ME to court. I will expose you in a court of law for the racist prick that you are.

  42. keith
    January 4, 2014    

    “I wonder if Keith (not sure if his name) or Guest(?) would speak to each other in person at a bar like that”

    I do not socialise with racists.

  43. Keith
    January 4, 2014    

    “I am not banning you or Keith. You have called him a racist. He called you a racist.”

    The only difference being that I’ve said nothing that can be construed as being racist, or defines me as a racist. Xenos(phobe)’s record of racist comments is there for all to see….It’s a common tactic for the guilty to throw out wild accusations against his accusors in the hope something will stick.. He’s p1ssing in the wind, he’s got nothing on me…

  44. Guest
    January 4, 2014    

    DD. I am warning you, that if this gets any worse I will take legal action. I am a professional engaged in anti-racism and immigration research and activism. I cannot tolerate these libellous attacks. You on the other hand are an amateur, with no background in the issues.

    And your silly remark about offering to send me my previous comments about the behaviour of Greek society indicates how little you understand of hate speech and the laws concerning it. Libel on the other hand is very clearly being published by you, and you should worry about it.

  45. deviousdiva
    January 4, 2014    

    @Guest
    This seems like a very extreme road to go down? There’s been a lot of name-calling and disrespect over the years on this blog (most of all, in truth, directed at me)

    My “silly remark” was a genuine offer because I didn’t know if you had a record of all your correspondence here whereas I have a record of every comment (even moderated ones) that has ever been posted here.

    Now I realise that you are going after me in the end, I withdraw my “silly remark”.

    I feel very sorry that it ended like this. I never meant to cause anyone harm or hurt in anyway. I genuinely thought you were giving as good as you got.

    Anyway, let me know by email please whatever you decide. Obviously, I would like to avoid legal action taken against me. How ironic that would be!

    And please let me know soon. This is causing a huge amount of stress to me which I am trying not to express with rudeness but I still feel it. You have known me for long enough to know how I operate and how I am as a person. Judge me on that if you can.

  46. keith
    January 5, 2014    

    Don’t let the bully push you around DD. If he attempts to act on his pathetic legal threats, please email me. I have the means and experience to deal with this annoying fool. I will not allow this disturbing individual to bully and threaten you.

  47. keith
    January 7, 2014    

    DD, I will provide you with legal support if you need it.

  48. Guest
    January 14, 2014    

    DD: you have allowed a very nasty piece of work, who has no understanding of or connection with Greece, to ruin your blog.

    I will simply keep away, if that is the sort of company you are happy to keep. Just delete all the libel and nastiness that this little pervert aims at me.

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