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Adolescence Denied

Adolescence Denied: Young Immigrants in Greece

Alessandro Penso has won the prestigious Terry O’Neill photography award for his pictures of immigrants in Greece. His most startling and shocking photo shows a young man being hit by a car which he says was a racist attack on a group in Korinthos. He visited him in hospital and notes that the victim had been asked to leave Greece within 15 days despite being injured. You can view a gallery of the series “Adolescence Denied” at the Guardian here.

 

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  1. Anonymous
    February 6, 2013    

    As a Greek I no longer trust foreign based “human rights” groups.

    I am not a golden dawn supporter. I am pro-democracy. Have no problem with legal minorities, homosexuals and mtost causes organizations like Amnestry International, HRW et al support. However, when all the alleged “human rights” groups started to pretend not to notice the former Yugoslavians identity change from Slavs into ancient Macedonians and state sponsored irredentism it became clear many of foreigners are racist towards Greeks (including some that claim to support human righs).

    They have now compounded my belief they have serious prejudices by trying to frame absurd numbers of forigners that violated our borders (many of them engaged in criminal activities) as “immigrants” and “victims” to Greeks as well as manipulatively aligning themselves with far leftist extremists like Syriza to push this illegal migration agenda (since when are communists considered “human rights” activists?)

    The indigenous people of region have a right to their own homeland. Every country in the world expects its borders respected. Every country deports illegals… including the ones the illegals in Greece come from. Unelected foreign organizations have no right to patronizingly dictate to us our immigration policy. We are a sovereign country not a colony of another nation.

    I strongly support that virtually all illegals should be all deported (only extreme cases that can be validated considered). I also think any foreigners that live in Greece that are accessories to that illegal traffic or collude with the Skopians should be deported right along with illegals (including any individuals that work for NGOs if they activity support illegal migration). Otherwise we will end up like what happen to the poor native peoples in the Americas. Occupiers in our own homeland.

    We tried to explain this politely to everyone but apparently force is the only thing some people understand. Slander us all, call us Nazis, fascists or whatever. Most of us simply don’t care anymore. All illegals and any Greek-haters that collude with them or the Skopians need to be forcefully removed. This preferably should involve the minimal amount of force necessary but we should be prepared to take extreme measures like land mines and live gunfire if necessary. Some foreigners shamefully and disrespectfully decided to wage an unofficial invasion of our country. We have a right to defend it.

  2. Guest
    February 8, 2013    

    You are seriously misinformed about your own country. First of all, in case you didnt notice, everything in Greece is illegal. This is the way the country works.

    Secondly, Greece is a border country of the EU. It is going to get refugees, asylum-seekers, illegal migrants, etc quite a lot compared with most other EU countries. There is money from the EU to deal with these problems. Guess what? Greece has never wanted that money, and your state has chosen to traffic illegal immigrants into Athens. This was a clear decision by the police authorities and politicians.

    Thirdly, I am told by persons who know, that Greeks are the main smugglers of immigrants into Greece. They make millions of euros out of it, and are rarely prosecuted.

    So, let’s have some decency about this. The problem is actually with Greeks. If the country was run in a legal way, then maybe there would be no illegal immigrants — at least in the large numbers now.

  3. anonymous
    February 10, 2013    

    Nonsense. The illegals streaming across our borders are making that choice voluntarily and hold the entire moral responsibility for their actions.. Blame Greece for its fiances. It is absurd to blame Greece for their disrespectful behavior.

    Anyone that doesn’t respond to polite requests to exit the country should be ejected with force. Illegals… out. Anyone that apologizes for them… out. We are fed up with Greeks being demonized for illegals violating our borders. We are fed up with disgusting antiHellenic apologists whonow pretend not to notice the FYROMskains change of identity from Slavs into ancient Macedonians but even their constant attempts to delete our very identity.

    Sorry trying to ethnically delete Greeks isn’t human rights.

  4. Chuck
    February 10, 2013    

    But, you shoudl be careful because with so many Greeks immigrating to other countries, some of them probably illegal I imagine, that maybe the authorities in those countries will pay you with your own coin. Racism is a thing that you will reap what you sow. So, what would you say to people in Germany if they start treating Greeks the way you seem to want to treat immigrants here in Greece? Curious…

  5. Guest
    February 10, 2013    

    Sorry, but your ignorance is just amazing. The imnmigrants arriving on the border with Turkey are all part of organised crime, with Greeks as the main organisers, followed by Syrians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Bulgarians etc. Even the police website tells you this (if you can read Greek).People do not travel casually from country to country, it had to be organised. And when they reach Greece, the Greek criminals look after those who paid the first class ticket, and the ones who paid for a cheap arrangement are left to die in the sea or in the cold. But they are all smuggled — with the collaboration of the Greek and Turkish population, including high ranking state officials in Greece and Turkey.

    And this stupidity about the name Macedonia shows what a low level of understanding you have of anything. This problem too is caused by Greek polticians, and in particualr the malakas who is now prime minister. Any other competent country, when it was the main investor in Macedonia, could have negotiated a suitable name. But no, idiot Greek politicians are more concerned with their careers than with Greece.

  6. Anonymous
    February 10, 2013    

    The vast majority of Greeks immigrate… i.e. the move LEGALLY to another country by first asking then being reviewed by local authorities to judge suitability. (and for any that don’t I full support them getting deported)

    That you muddle legal immigration with illegal is your problem. The fact of the matter is ALL the countries these illegals come from DEPORT illegals. Anyone that complains about Greece for doing the same is a patronizing Greek hating bigot.

  7. Anonymous
    February 10, 2013    

    Your conspiracy theories are nonsense. These illegals volentary chose to enter Greece illegally. No one forced them.

    As for FYROM issue, the fact its apologists pretend not to notice their sudden identity change from Slavs into descendents of ancient Macedonians, constant attempts to insinuate our country is “greek occupied Macedonia”, constant hate speech against Greeks, constant attempts to delete our very identity…. speaks volumes about their racism towards Greeks.

  8. Anonymous
    February 10, 2013    

    Cry and cry all you wish. We are in the process of slowly ejecting both illegals that violated our border (using force if necessary) and any like you that collude with Skopians. Greek hating bigots are no longer welcome in Greece.

  9. Anonymous
    February 12, 2013    

    Your absurd anti-Greek conspiratorial fantasies say more about you than anything going on in Greece. Had you an ounce of moral or intellectual credibility you’d be denouncing the former Yugoslavians identity change into ancient macedonians from Slavs, constant attempts to frame 1/3 of our country as occupied, and constant attempts to delete our very identity (right before your eyes I would add)

  10. Guest
    February 12, 2013    

    Replay: paragraph 1, sentence 1 of my previous post. And you can cut out the petty nationalistic “anti-Greek” slur too. We are all bored with it.

    As far as identity is concerned, all modern identities are artificially constructed. Some are more rooted in historical reality than others. The Greek one is pretty distant from the Ancient Greeks, and was actually imposed on Greece by northern Europeans who financed and supported the insurrection against the Ottomans (for their own selfish purposes). Moreover, the whole relationship of the Macedonian kings to Athens was very distant — to the extent that the Macedonians were not originally considered to be Greeks. It was only with Alexander’s conquest of massive tracts of land (including what is now Greece) that in fact Macedonians did not become Greeks, but Greeks were conquered by Macedonians!

    Now, I can probably agree that the Slavs were not even in evidence at that time in this region. This does not mean that the citizens of Skopje are all without a link to ancient Macedonia; some are former Greek citizens, who fled Greece; others are Albanians; probably the majority are of mixed Slav descent. How does that compare with Greece? Modern Greeks are ethnically mixed up with Albanian origins, various other groups such as Vlach, intermarriage with ethnic groups in Asia Minor; etc. The idea of Greek identity is entirely fabricated — even though there are historical links, especially with language and some cultural aspects. In day-to-day life, the real identity of Greeks is from the Byzantine and Ottoman years — which have been removed from the cultural identity officially portrayed. The whole identity is actually an artifice.

    My point is that some of the historical roots can — and should be — shared with peoples who have some links with them. Every country of the world has shared historical origins with others, and it is the failure of Greek politicians to manage this which is the real problem. Just as they fail to manage anything at all, apart from stealing large quantities of money and property from the Greek people. The one thing I would not compromise on, of course, are the borders of Greece; on this issue, there can be no negotiation with the Republic of Macedonia.

  11. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    In other words, you are a Skopian pretending to be Greek.

    Sorry it is not a “human right” to usurp the identity of Greeks and use it to insinuate my homeland is occupied.

  12. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    Ancient Macedonians were self-identifying Hellenes troll. No amount of “recognition” will change the Greek writing on ancient Macedonian artifacts to suggest they were slavs. No amount of recognition will make the records of your ancestors self-identifying as Bulgarians go away.

    Why not try and read a real history book and talk to a real historian rather than narrate the fantasies your government encourages?

    On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the “Republic of Macedonia.”  This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact, but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander the Great.
    http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.html

  13. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    I love how you just attempted to delete our Greek identity Skopian. (while your apologists pretend not to notice you Slavs changing into ancient Macedonians right before their eyes)

    “Those who live in Skopje and say that that is Macedon and Alexander’s homeland are as ignorant and outrageous as? if someone was? to say that Oxford University was really in Belarus and Oxford was Minsk” – Robin Lane Fox of Oxford University?

    ‘The idea that Alexander the Great belongs to us was at the mind of some outsider groups only. These groups were insignificant in the first years of our independence. But the big problem is that the old Balkan nations have been learned to legitimize themselves through their history. In the Balkans to be recognized as a nation you need to have history of 2,000 to 3,000 years old. Since you (Greece ) forced us to invent a history, we did invent it.’ – FYROM Foreign Minister Denko Maleski

    “Four thousands years of greek history have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Macedonian Greeks from the Hellenic, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Macedonian Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.” – The Greeks and their Heritage AJ Toynbe

    Greeks have lived in Anatolia for millennia, especially along the Aegean coast. For a while, under Alexander, they dominated the land. And for all intents and purposes, the Byzantine Empire was Greek.[.] The first Ottoman census, of 1477, counted half of Constantinople’s population as Greek, and four-hundred years later, even after the Greek War of Independence, it was still 21 percent Greek. – David Lowenthal, “The heritage crusade and the spoils of history. (1998)

  14. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    You seem to have left out according to recent statements by the Skopian government they are no longer Slavs but actually descendents of ancient Macedonians. Have to love how the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians are building giant Alexander statues in ancient Paeonia while you pretend not to notice.

    Instead you go on a bizarrely conspiratorical rant that somehow Greeks are chiefly to blame for illegals flooding our country. Apparently the Greek mafia is operating in countries around the world and forcing all these illegals into our homeland at gunpoint. I swear its true. I heard it from a Skopian.

  15. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    You seem to have left this part out of your empty narrative Skopian? And whats with your government’s giant Alexander statues and naming everything in sight after ancient Greek historical figures?

    “The history of the construction of a Macedonian national identity does not begin with Alexander the Great in the fourth century B.C. or with Saints Cyril and Methodius in the ninth century A.D. as Macedonian nationalist historians often claim”

    “Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a Macedonian national identity was a relatively recent historical development.”

    “The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov’s call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians.” – US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, “The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World”, Princeton Univ Press, December 1995 (listed on MHRMI website as an expert so you can’t accuse him of “Greek propaganda” which is the typical tact of manipulators like you)

    “Extreme Macedonian nationalists, who are concerned with demonstrating the continuity between ancient and modern Macedonians, deny that they are Slavs and claim to be the direct descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians. The more moderate Macedonian position, generally adopted by better educated Macedonians and publicly endorsed by Kiro Gligorov, the first president of the newly independent Republic of Macedonia, is that modern Macedonians have no relation to Alexander the Great, but are a Slavic people whose ancestors arrived in Macedonia in the sixth century AD” – US Anthropologist Loring Danforth
    http://www.gate.net/~mango/Danforth_National_Conflict.htm

  16. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    Greek typically ask to immigrate to other country. What’s curious is that you seemingly don’t know the different between legal immigrant (i.e. someone that asks abroad and is reviewed by the government to see if they would be a good candidate)… and masses of people that sneak across borders then rants “racism” when locals object to their disrespectful violation of our border.

    Also curious is you don’t mention that the countries these illegals come from ALL DEPORT ILLEGALS. Those that criticizing Greeks for doing the same are Greek hating bigots.

  17. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    Other than some language, culture, location, DNA and history in common we have absolutely nothing to do with Greeks. We are actually anything but Greek according to Skopians like you and your apologists. (who I would note now pretend not to notice or downplay your change into ancient Macedonians from slavs)

  18. Guest (xenos)
    February 14, 2013    

    Well well well. I suggest that you try working with some real Greek historians, as I have done for the last 17 years. I also have some publications on Greek history, that have been highly commended by Greek scholars. There may be shades of grey in our different views, but I am sure that you will object as strongly to the views of the serious Greek professors of history as you do to mine. That is what happened with the rewritten schoolbook on Greek history, which was authored and approved by serious scholars and then blocked by ignorant Greeks who prefer lies and dogma to scholarship.

    For your information, I am British and have never even visited the Republic of Macedonia (although I have been many times to Greek Macedonia).

  19. Mel Gibson's Toe
    February 14, 2013    

    Well, you make a good point, that if George Bush and the US have ruled and it’s now called Macedonia, why do you pursue it? Just like when a Supreme court rules, it’s over. The ruling authority (USA) has ruled, as you said yourself. Who are you to question the supreme power on this planet? Once the USA has ruled on something, it’s over. What I usually do is that if the USA thinks it’s a certain way, then obviously it must be true, otherwise why would the USA say it is?

  20. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    Didn’t you hear the news troll? The Skopians government claims they are no longer Slavs but actually direct descendents of ancient Macedonians.

    eurasiareview (dot) com/21112012-eu-envoy-apologises-for-calling-macedonians-slavs/

    In other words, given ancient Macedonians self-identified as Greeks, the Skopians are claiming to be the “real” Greeks!

    Since according to your blabbering nonsense “all modern identities are artificially constructed” then why don’t you criticize the ancient Macedonia warriors teaching their school school children a third of Greece is “Greek occupied Macedonia”?

    Why don’t you notify the Chinese they are a fiction?
    Japanese?
    Germans?
    Russians?
    Jews?
    Koreans?
    English?
    Ethiopians?
    Saudi Arabians?
    Heck how about you tell Americans, who aren’t even an ethnic group, that Mexico and Canada are welcome to reference George Washtington as their shared national hero?

    Who exactly would be left from national and/or ethnic erasure according to your crackpot racial theories?

  21. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    Lots of people claim lots of things online. How can you be British. I thought you said every modern identity is invented right? There is no such thing as a real Brit right?

    If you claim to be a “historian” then why do you not mention that not only did the pseudo-British government used to claim there is no such thing as an “ethnic Macedonians” but even supplied Greeks the weapons to expel IMRO communists that was promoting this exact “macedonian” gibberish?

    “It is no wonder that, in matters of politics in the Balkans, Greece feels misunderstood. It cannot understand why, after it stood alone with the United Kingdom against the forces of fascism between 28 October 1940–Ohi day, as it is still called–and 27 April 1941, when Athens finally fell, its former allies now appear to be taking the part of forces against which it stood, especially when, after the second world war, it endured those further four years of civil war to hold the line against the communist advance to the Aegean. That was done for the United States and for the United Kingdom especially–the world powers of the time–and those Governments objected, in 1944, to Tito’s change of the name of Vardar Banovina.” (House of Commons Hansard Debates for 9 May 1995)

  22. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    The US says lots of things. Take for example these 1944 words on so-called “Macedonians”. Mr. Bush seems to have “coincidentally” forgotten them after FYROM sent troops to fight his little war for imaginary WMDs.

    “This (US) Government considers talk of Macedonian “nation”, Macedonian “Fatherland”, or Macedonia “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece” – US State Department Dec, 1944 (Foreign Relations Vol. VIII Washington D.C. Circular Airgram – 868.014/26)

  23. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    There are accredited historians you crackpot. (both Greek ones and foreign) some of them from world class institutions (including Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, and Princeton). Call it a hunch that they are far more knowledgeable than you in Greek history.

    ” November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the “Republic of Macedonia.”  This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact, but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander the Great.
    http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.html

  24. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    Given the Slavs have turned into ancient Macedonians right before your eyes, you can’t even report news in your own time properly much less history.

  25. Guest (xenos)
    February 14, 2013    

    Yes, all national identities are constructed. This is the mainstream view of history, espoused by the historians at such places as Princeton, Harvard and Oxford. They are not crackpot theories, and they are not mine. You are just uneducated.

    And for your information, although I am not an historian as such, I have worked as a social scientist for over two decades with the world’s leading historians on this region — including people from the universities you name, along with the universities of athens and macedonia, and universities in bulgaria, serbia and Turkey. All of us are exasperated by the nationalistic and racist propaganda that is being written by Greeks on the web and now has a very clear political voice in Chryssi Avgi.

    You are a loud and very insistent minority, who are trying to poison the minds of decent Greek people.

  26. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components—name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association—were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia. –
    Nationalism and Modernism: A Critical Survey of Recent Theories of Nations –

    Nationalism and Modernism, page 191, Anthony David Smith, Routledge, 1998

  27. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    You claim you are a historian but you don’t know even simple basics like the fact the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia is situated squarely in Greece. FYROM is not part of the original Macedonia. Which again begs the question why are they building giant Alexander statues and now claiming not to be Slavic but “Macedonians”.

    Surely I believe anything that comes of out the mouth of anyone that apologizes for those trying to exterminate the greek people.

  28. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    “You are a loud and very insistent minority, who are trying to poison the minds of decent Greek people.”

    This comment only further illustrates how clueless you are. Other than far left extremists and anarchists I represent the majority of Greeks. Since words have failed, Greeks have have been left with no other choice but to use force against those trying to exterminate the Greek people.

  29. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    I am not a Golden Dawn supporter you negative stereotyping trolll.. I only agree in so far as I am opposed to illegal immigration and FYROM issue.

    I would also note your own country has an identity. and also deports illegals. Funny how you don’t seem to focus on that and instead bash Greeks.

  30. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013    

    If you are British historical expert as you claim, rather than an ultra nationalist Skopian pretending to be a third party, what is your real name, address and email so I might contact you?

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