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I will be back on Tuesday, once my beautiful family and friends leave us. It has been, and is still being, a wonderful time and I have been given so much love, courage and support that it is almost impossible to describe.

Normal blogging should resume shortly…

I wish you all a chance to feel what I am experiencing. Love to all.


  1. April 24, 2010    

    I am very happy about you for that. I only dread that you will resume facing some as…les here :)

    Enjoy the rest as much as possible.

  2. Cinzano
    April 24, 2010    

    I only dread that you will resume facing some as…les here


    It’s very strange that you call some people on here “as.holes” since all the racists have gone, unless you’re calling some of us who are here now as.holes.

    Please tell us who you think is an “as.hole” on here now.

    For a man who is very much into his human rights, you seemed awfully quiet when the British racists were making their offensive comments against Greeks for three years. What was the reason for your silence? Could it be that you actually agree with the racists’ offensive comments such as “Greeks have a peasant mentality”?

    Are you just another self-proclaimed “friend of Greece” who pretends to “love Greece” but actually harbours some very distasteful and rather hateful sentiments towards Greeks and southern Europeans?

    It just seems that you are completely oblivious and totally unconcerned when Greeks are slandered or their culture ridiculed and humiliated on here, but you are quick to point out when some extremist Greeks do that to other cultures on here.
    It’s a double standard which is quite common on this blog.

    Is GHM an organisation which has a universal view on human rights which includes the rights of people not to be racially insulted or their culture and religion humiliated and ridiculed like Greeks have been on this blog? Or is “GHM” just an acronym for “Greek Hating Mission”?

  3. gurmit
    April 25, 2010    

    Greek Helsinki Monitor,

    I think calling any people who come on this blog assho-es isn’t right even if you don’t agree with what they say. If you are a part of a human rights group, it is especially wrong. You can condemn something someone says or their attitude but just to call people what you did isn’t right. If someone is still giving DD or her family threats, it is criminal matter,and I would hope those people get punished by the law to the fullest extent, but even calling those people what you did isn’t right.

  4. Cinzano
    April 25, 2010    

    If you are a part of a human rights group, it is especially wrong.

    I’m glad there is at least one person on this blog who recognises right from wrong and who understands the concept of universal human rights. Anybody who dares to exercise his democratic right to offer an opposing viewpoint on this blog is suddenly declared an “as.hole” (although i’m sure DD will run to defend GHM’s unfortunate language).

    It seems that some “human rights activists” on this blog are only concerned with the concept of human rights when it appears that Greeks and southern Europeans are breaching the rights of others (Roma, immigrants etc). these activists are quick to defend the rights of others but they can’t apply the same principles of human rights to greeks. When the human rights of Greeks and southern Europeans are being breached, the same “human rights advocates” don’t really care. It seems that DD and GHM are so focussed on calling out the human rights abuses from Greeks that they actually make a conscious effort to ignore when the human rights of Greeks and southern Europeans are being breached.
    Why, for example, are the human rights activists on this blog not defending the rights of southern Europeans not to be the object of racism and xenophobia?

    Greeks’ religion have been insulted on this blog, Greek culture has been humiliated and ridiculed, Greeks’ character has been besmirched and dragged through the mud, they’ve been called “peasants” and “homophobes” and “prone to corrpution” and “lazy” and a hundred other negative stereotypes have been thrown at Greeks. But the “human rights activists” turned a blind eye to it all and can only apply the concept of human rights selectively…..

  5. gurmit
    April 26, 2010    

    I despise what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it -Voltaire.

    Cinzano, when I was in the executive of the Amnesty International Chapter at my university, the above was a quote often used in the literature and posters for the club. Not too long ago, I was proof reading an essay for my brother involving a case in Israel about freedom of speech related to some Nazi propaganda (believe it or not there are Nazis in Israel, some who are actually part Jewish but basically have no ties to Judaism and immigrated to Israel after the collapse of the Soviet Union based on the partial Jewish heritage) The court said freedom of speech was more important than repressing this discourse. I can’t remember the exact details of this case as my brother is in the middle of a 24 hour long exam, and though I tapped on the door during his washroom break just now, he says he can’t find the essay I proof read until tomorrow. A Germany court in contrast did repress such discourse, undoubtedly in part due to its history.

    I don’t think people need to really fear what other people say. This Greek Helsinki Monitor person was wrong and irresponsible to speak like that on a public forum and for a human rights person. I’m sure DD did not like what he said even if he was just trying to be sympathetic to her.

    You know in America, how there is an anti-Moslem sentiment (though it isn’t as hard to be a Moslem there as it is Europe I think) in the public discourse,especially in the post -911 period. What is interesting is that since 911, tens of thousands of American have converted to Islam -probably due to all the exposure. At one point, even in Canada books on Islam were getting wiped off the bookstore shelves right away. Moslems have also really undertaken educating people about who they are and what they believe. As some people say, any publicity is good publicity.There is nothing to be scared of by what people say, especially if you can also say stuff. So, I don’t know why the Greek Helsinki Monitor person dreads what people have to say, unless it is death threats and such. But those can be taken care of too through the proper means.

    Anyway, have a good day.

    Yeia sas

  6. Kostas
    April 26, 2010    

    Hi Gurmit, how are you.

    I wanted to tell you that I saw in the Greek news an event by local Sikhs here in Athens. Apparently, hundreds of Indian Sikhs celebrated Baisahki (also spelled Vaiskhi in the article) in the Athens suburb of Tavros on April 19th. I learned that the festival celebrates Sikh New Year and the founding the Sikh community, which I found out is called Khalsa. All the way from 1699…. And, more importantly, it’s an important cultural festival celebrated in India. And finally, I heard that it marks the beginning of a new solar year, and a new harvest season.

  7. gurmit
    April 26, 2010    


    I’m ok, just in packing crunch time (but still not too motivated). How are you? It is a good thing we always knew we would get out of here and didn’t bother unpacking a lot of stuff.

    I one time saw Sikhs having this Vasaikhi parade in Greece on you tube. There aren’t too many Sikhs in Greece, I heard there are something like 1000 though I have heard of a few thousand too. Vasaiki for Sikhs is a birthday celebration of themselves as a people or nation and celebrated with a parade and lots of free food for everyone.

    Vasaikhi traditionally in India is a spring harvest celebration. A lot of times, Sikhs celebrate things in India others do but for their own reasons. Diwali ,for example, to Hindus has something to do with the god Ram (we don’t believe in the Hindu gods or goddesses) while for Sikhs it means one of the Sikh prophets was released from jail by the emperor of India, Jehangir, in the 1600’s even though he still refused to pay the Jehangir taxes, and the head priest of the Golden Temple was cut to pieces but did not convert to Islam to save himself from death sometime in the 1700’s.

    I have heard that the early Christians also used days of celebration by pre-Christians to celebrate their own stuff. As a minority, you need to sometimes for you feel left out when everyone else is celebrating big time. I one time started feeling really sad and left out at Christmas time yet couldn’t celebrate it though some of my relatives really are into it (though they don’t believe in Christ as a savior, which makes their actions meaningless really). I made my peace by being glad to see Christians celebrating it but not feeling the need to be a part of the celebrations anymore. I give my neighbours Christmas cards though because they always give them to me.

    Not too long ago, I read of a town in Greece where the local Greek people donated money towards the bulding of a Sikhtemple and the Greek guy who sold the land did so for really cheap after he found out it was for a religious purpose, just a few years ago. I thought that was quite kind of them even though I also appreciate the fact that the Sikhs too work really hard to forge bonds with the local people. If you want to live in peace and respect with people you have to develop good, strong ties with them. Apparently, the founder of Sikhism came to Greece too in the 1500’s including Athens (he traveled all over the place several times in his life ). There is a monument dedicated to him in Turkey that still stands and has his name on it.

    You know there is a website called a Sikh in Athens which tells of this baptized Sikh guy who came to Greece in 1980 on a scholarship and his experiences in Greece. The guy is a bit too preachy for my taste but he had a good time in Greece basically and the Greeks were really nice to him wherever he went.

    Anyway, you probably have your ear talked off about Sikhs now, so I will shut up and pack another box or two. I have one box of clothes (though some rags will be in my suitcase too when I move myself by plane) but at least six of craft supplies I hardly ever use!!! My 6 year old niece over in Vancouver dreams about my craft supplies all the time since she saw them two years ago when she came to visit. I sometimes think I should make a will leaving them to her just in case I get hit with a truck or something. I think she and I will do a lot of crafts together over the summer. I think I have a job at her school starting September though if Revenue Canada calls me I am coming right back here. This coming year I hope to save money to come to Greece for a few weeks. If some emergency doesn’t happen, I have about $1000 already saved up but that won’t even cover the airfare from BC.

    Great hearing from you, Kostas.

    Yeia sas