The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

Whispers

I love this and find it so moving. Thank you Afrodite.

Via Afrodite Al Salech

I met Saliou the day he was born, when his parents called me to help. Since then I observe him grow and not a day goes by that I do not think the kind of life we have condemned this kid to live, just like many other kids. That is how this text came to be – it’s a narrative Saliou whispered to me…

Please read on…

54 Comments

  1. November 27, 2009    

    That’s beautiful. Have you read the recent news about Roma women being sterilised in the Czech republic? Made me sad. Hope you’re well.

  2. Post Disagreement
    November 27, 2009    

    another appeal to emotion to dictate immigration policy and attempt to undermine Greek ethnicity by saying nonsense that completely different races of people who are not historically related to even the region are just a certificate away from redefining the boundaries of our ethnicity…if we would stop being so racist and just let anybody who can get in stay in and legalize them etc…

    Thats not a sensible immigration policy and you know it.

    There are black Greek citizens of course, but the only ethnically Greek blacks are hybrids between Greeks and Africans.

    Greeks are caucasians of the mediteranean type.

    Whether some people of other races, nations, etc. should be granted the privelege of citizenship is an entirely different issue…then what is being done here…trying to deny Greeks their unique ethnic identity ( i can anticipate somebody writing back about beliefs about 100% purity…thats not what this is about)..

    Whoever is Greek ethnically now is to some extent connected with other Greeks due to culture, kinship, shared history… somebody from a far flunged place does not possibly share the same recent ancestry as the majority, is not remote kinsman within the ethnicity and definitely is not part of our history. So, stop this racism against Greeks trying to muddle the meaning of terms.

    There are no Black or Asian looking Greeks just as there are no Eskimo looking Greeks.

    This what annoys me, you are trying to change and redefine and undermine ethnicity and conflate.confuse it with nationality (citizenship).

    Most Greeks (in fact most people want) their nations to remain the homeland for their own people…not be some intercontinental hotel.

  3. Xenos
    November 27, 2009    

    Yes, and by this reasoning I think we need to kick Greeks out of South Africa, USA, Canada, Australia, UK, Belgium, Germany…

    Really, Greeks have no business to be anywhere other than Turkey, I mean Greece.

    Do you not see how pathetic your argument is? And also how anti-christian. But then, I never thought of Greeks as Christians, just self-interested people who did what suited them.

  4. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    Yes but Greeks in South Africa are no considered Zulus, Afrikaneers, or Xhosa are they ..?

    And by this reasoning…see how you purposely confuse things.
    I did not say kicking out…if somebody who is black got citizenship because they were married to a Greek or are part Greek or just came legally and became a citizen that is fine by me. BUT they would not be Greek ethnically but in terms of citizenship. see the distinction.. citizenship is nationality. ethnicity is something else………….

    I did not sayt they are less human..they are simply not Greek.

    Greece is not like America or Canada. neither are most european coutnries.

    Greeks in germany are NOT considered German…although they maybe considered citizens..

    Also, most Greeks went to those nations went so legally and they are mostly European based christian cultures.

    Greeks who lived in those mostly European based countries you mentioned.. unless they intermarried and their children looked more like the natives..would stillbe Greek looking

    And with the exception of the USA and Canada and Australia (also majority caucasian countries anyway)…the other ones you mention are European.

    Note I said that I take issue with trying to deny ethnic identity and attepts to confuse ethnicity with nationality(citizenship)…

    So inorder in your eyes for someone to be a good person he should jsut let anyone who can break in come in stay in..

    and we should deny our ethnic identity to make somebody else feel comfortable.

    even in the states people say they are black-american, mexican-american, greek-american, italian-american etc.

    Only people who say jsut American are people whose ancestors have been in america before all the non northern european immigration came in.

    People should help each other i am all for it..but not to the point of being asked transform your society with a tsunami of the rest of the world…and why is it necessary to deny that child his Senegalese heritage and lie and tell him he’s Greek (ethnically).

    By implication if we take this to its logical conclusion..you and Diva are saying that Black Asian and other heritages and identities like Senegalese are something desireable to shed in favor of pretending to be Greek, Hungarian, German, Italian etc.
    some European group that they are not a part of.

    Actually Greeks do belong in what is today Turkey…we were there for 1,000s of years before they crawled out of Central Asia….and BTW many Turks ..by DNA are Greek, Armenian etc..just Muslimized. But since we have been genocided against..I’ll use the Jewish argument about Israel…dont we need a state that is our own homeland…to have a safe place we can call home where are the majority?

    If being a good Christian, to you, means being suicidal sorry not interested.

    I am all for helping people…but lying to them and denying them their own ethnic identity and me mine is not Christian its left liberal multiculti lunancy….actually whats most insane about the zeitgeist about the need for diversity and multiculturalism…
    is that the same people promoting that are essentially saying hey their is no such thing as different cultures, ethnicities, people groups…but lets celebrate diversity by denying it!!!

    insane and ludcirous..

    how very Greek Supremacist of this women to impose on a small child that he should deny his Black race or Senegalese heritage and tell him he should think of himself as Greek (ethnically).

    how very anti Greek to say that in order to be Good people we have to have no immigration control or policies and deny our own ethnic identity and heritage.

    If I work and live in Germany…I will never be German..never..
    and would not want to be..unless my kids marry Germans and their kids marry Germans..then eventually they will blend in.

    But you Xenos regardless of your citizenship will never be Greek and I will never be English..

    American, Canadian and Australian idenitities tend to be more flexible, because they are “newer” countries….but even there much of the “white” folk…call greeks wogs etc.

    So what the hell are you talking about dude?

    You are comparing apples with oranges.
    (greeks going to America ( another hodge podge country that still has its own peoples divided in identity by race …so even there you have identity racial and ethnic as a reality but I digress)
    vs.
    (one ethnicity moving into another ethnicity’s ethnic homeland and now that person is part of that ethnicity)

    There are people in thrace who are greek citizens but they are not ethnic Greeks and do not want to be considered as such.

    This women and you are attempting to redefine our ethnicity from kinship to jsut anyone and everyone (while simultaneously deny that other person the value of their own ethnicity).

    No that child will never be Greek ethnically…could they be a citizen of Greece….possibly…but thats not the same thing as being Greek ethnically.

    Stop trying to deny my people a right to our own identity and forcing others to deny their own (senegalese).

  5. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    Yes, and by this reasoning I think we need to kick Greeks out of South Africa, USA, Canada, Australia, UK, Belgium, Germany…

    ………………

    Note I did not say anything about kicking anyone out..

    thatrs you conflating the issue again.

    which is …that their is sucha thing as ethnicity.

  6. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    Again, you just don’t get it. The Greeks in those countries almost all have dual citizenship, with full rights because those countries treat their immigrants well and permit them to have citizenship. The neo-Nazi who posts here, for example, probably has dual US and Greek citizenships.

    Greeks cannot carry on like this, in a parasitic fashion, taking the rights given out in other civilised places while refusing them to others in Greece. This behaviour is just disgusting: can you not see it? It amounts to theft and deception, not to mention that it is not in conformity with European standards of behaviour.

  7. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    And I am not English anyway: I am British.

  8. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    Most Greeks (in fact most people want) their nations to remain the homeland for their own people…not be some intercontinental hotel.

    ……………

    with the exception of Canada , America and Australia.
    which are basically hodge podges of mostly various european groups and primarily anglo saxon protestant ones.

    Most South African blacks do not even want Zimbabweans in their country…much less whites or indians.

    Most Germans have a very ridged idea about what Germans are…and Greeks, Turks, and Portuguese people are not it.

    So, should all these people leave no, but we should not flood Germany with more people than she wants or feels comfortable with accpting.

    People who are in Greece, Germany, South Africa..etc. who got citizenship or residency should be allowed to stay…but lets not lie and deny both the immigrant and the host people their ethnic identities.

    Some immigration is fine but we have past our limit based on our resources and needs and comfort level in terms of being potentially swamped out of existnce …to being turned into a minority in our own land….

    thats the point…its not that oh I am bothered by a handful of xenoi..its i am bothered by these orchstrated NWO zeitgeist attempts to make us accept us Greeks and indeed all European peoples into minorities in our own homelands where we are a solid and historic majority, by telling us to redefine what we are so we just accept endless hordes of people not even connected to us culturally, linguistically and ethnically so that we are descndants are a dispossesed minority in our land. that our ancestors fought to carve out so we would not be second class citizens of a muslim empire.

  9. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    Now you are just hysterical. Muslim empire indeed. Are you sure it’s not a Jewish conspiracy, or a Greater Albania? Just totally irrational.

  10. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    The Intercontinental Hotel is on Syggrou, as i recall :-)

  11. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    Cyds right about you…

    you purposely conflate issues.

    This is a liberal NWO marxist tactic.

    I say Blacks are not Greeks therfore that is racist so I am hateful and bad so do not listen to him. Only a bad/evil person would not want their homeland over run to the point we natives become a minority.

    Blacks and Asians are not Greeks.
    Senegalese born in Greece are still Senegalese a Philippino born in Greece is still Asian and Philippino….possibly accultured to Greek culture..yes, possibly a citizen yes…but with her own ethnicity…now if she marries a nativee Greek and her kids marry native Greeks and so on and so on they will blend in and be Greek…cause at that point by DNA, and some history in the country she had been assimilated into the ethnicity and not just the society and state.

    Basically NWO is telling European peoples you are evil/bad unless you love suicide = mass immigration and mass redefinition of ethnicity from kinship and common history to anybody who shows up at your door is your kinsman.

    If we believe in valuing differences why is their an orchestrated campaign to deny that they exist?

    The truth is differences exist. And people groups have settled in certain places.

    I do not buy into the goal of creating a hybrid humanity with no sense of any group identities, denying their respective religions, etc…just so we can all be the same.,

    There can be peace on earth and we dont have to all boil down to some hybrid race to achieve that. We can maintain our nation states.

    Its not just Greeks who are being “racist”..in other countries people who are racially similar like in Rwanda kill each other.

    Since we know history and we know human nature why force a people to transform their nation into a multi-ethnic hodge pdoge with multiple competing interest groups.

    Thats when you get wars etc…that is unless you have an oppressive totalitarian government that likes that situation to controll the public..

    i.e. they put one group against the other..

    and thats what we have here a totalitarian EU that wants a continuing mass of third world people coming in to return Europe into a poor and controlled landscape with a few rich people at the top controlling everything.

    Thats your evil NWO.
    …………………………………………………….

  12. Cyd
    November 28, 2009    

    Yes, and by this reasoning I think we need to kick Greeks out of South Africa, USA, Canada, Australia, UK, Belgium, Germany…

    HAHAHA!

    Oh, the “logical” one jumps in with both feet with this one. Please provide, oh dear ejumacated elder, some shred of evidence that Greeks forced any of those nations to change their entire identity in order to appease these peasants that immigrated there in order to no longer be “offended”. LOL!

    Offended, sheesh. If only that was all immigrants of yore faced in the new lands. Fuck off vermin. You have nothing of relevance to add except lies.

  13. Oath Taken
    November 28, 2009    

    And I am not English anyway: I am British.

    Well if certain people have their way (ask your buddy Dimitras about his EFA acquaintances) you’ll eventually be just be Welsh once again.

    Between the racial viewpoints that conflate citizenship with nationality and ethnicity with race on the one side and your crap on the other I can only say that you both deserve each other.

  14. Cyd
    November 28, 2009    

    PD, you are a very decent and honourable person. Arguing in good faith with trash only gets you dirty. They do not care AT ALL about facts, period. Please keep that in mind.

  15. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    You are mixing the whole thing up.

    whether non-Greeks should be allowed to get Greek citizenship is not the question here.

    Its the denying of ethnic identity..to both the Greek and in this instance the Senegalese.

  16. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    Greeks in germany still feel and believe they are greek and there are no shortage of Germans to remind them of the difference.

    Germans think the Greeks and Turks around them are Greek and turkish…they do not think of them as Germans..although they may consider us fellow humans and Europeans.

    You guys are the ones against respecting diversity..

    You want this black kid to be ashamed to be black to think he should think of himself as Greek…

    I am not against SOME immigration and NOR do I say I am against any case of giving citizenship to Non-Greeks in SOME cases….
    but its should not be given out like candy…we should be cautious with it.

    Greece is small in size and population…so it has to be limited to SOME and NOT LOTS OF immigration.

    We have reached past the limit of what the economy and society can handle. So no more new immgiration and deport recent illegals.

    Long term “undocumented” (illegals) should be handled based on some criteria.

    Citizenship and ethnicity are different issues.

    There are blacks by the way who do have Greek citizenship…in case you did not know that.

    But guess what they are still nigerian or ethiopian and they are still fine people.

    I respect their humanity but no I do not want greece to become a state where native greeks are a minority.

    BTW…mr. British…people in your homeland are not all gushing hearts about immigration there either.

    and They do have a sense of themselves as English, Welsh, Scottish, and the non-historic people there as being Pakistanis, Bangaldeshius….i.e. a Pakistani born in England ..does not believe he is English (ethnnicity) although he may say he is British ( nationality)……..

    ……..and he may also say European civilization is a cancer and islam is the answer too but thats another story for another time.

  17. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    Citizenship and ethnicity are different things, except that Greeks try to insist that they are the same. Unless a population is completely stationary, there are problems with ascribing nationality to children. Greece chose to solve that problem with ius sanguinis, whereas other countries (UK, Portugal) with less mobile populations used ius soli. This is nothing to do with ethnicity, it is about how you award a legal bond with a state.

    So, the fact that Greeks migrated like nobody’s business in the last two centuries or so now means, in the 21st century, that anyone who comes to live in Greece has to be excluded. This makes sense only to nationalists, because normal decent people believe that everyone should be given access to citizenship if they have been born and educated there. Except Greeks, who carry on with this 19th century practice as if it had been the case for millennia. It is something you invented to solve a particualar problem after 1832, it has its own set of problems anyway, with the Council of State making ridiculous judgments about what a Greek is…

    Just get real, and accept that Greece is a part of the civilised world. Is that so tough? Or do you actually want to be a Third World backwater?

  18. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    thats not the point of this article..

    the point of this article is that she is redefining ethnicity and conflating it with nationality.

  19. Cyd
    November 28, 2009    

    Citizenship and ethnicity are different things, except that Greeks try to insist that they are the same.

    Wrong. Everyone aside from rootless cosmopolitan dipshits know that a person with a flat face and slanty eyes living in Japan is Japanese. Except those “foreigners” from Korea, who will never be Japanese. I guess Japan is “multicultural” too if we go by Lout’s definition.

    Unless a population is completely stationary, there are problems with ascribing nationality to children.

    Wrong. A population does not have to be “completely stationary” to evolve into a definitive race and sub-races. They just need to be free of external influxes of large populations that will overwhelm them and their people.

    Greece chose to solve that problem with ius sanguinis, whereas other countries (UK, Portugal) with less mobile populations used ius soli.

    Geez, talk about making the argument for me. Jus sanguinis is the only natural form of citizenship. Until you can prove a Nigerian is a Japanese, your claim is as absurd as a child believing in Santa Claus. You can wave your arms and stomp your feet and people may politely listen to your demented ramblings but after all is said and done, you will have not convinced a single soul. Why? Because the world does not believe the neo-marxist lies.

    So, the fact that Greeks migrated like nobody’s business in the last two centuries or so now means, in the 21st century, that anyone who comes to live in Greece has to be excluded.

    Non sequitur.

    This makes sense only to nationalists, because normal decent people believe that everyone should be given access to citizenship if they have been born and educated there.

    Fallacious. Where is your evidence for this? What is your definition of and who are these “normal decent people”? I posit that normal, decent people think just the fucking opposite. Why don’t we ask the world? The Chinas, Japans, Indias, Africas. I would venture to guess and make a hefty bet that these people do not think any god damn thing when it comes to THEIR countries.

    Except Greeks, who carry on with this 19th century practice as if it had been the case for millennia.

    Completely wrong. See the above.

    It is something you invented to solve a particualar problem after 1832, it has its own set of problems anyway, with the Council of State making ridiculous judgments about what a Greek is…

    Completely wrong as the entire world seems to have this “Greek” form of thinking.

    Just get real, and accept that Greece is a part of the civilised world. Is that so tough? Or do you actually want to be a Third World backwater?

    So in order to become a “civilized” nation we have to invite the entire third world and dissolve all forms of culture and identity? Is that your fucked up logic?

  20. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    Cyd: do you really think (a) that you make more rational arguments than me? (b)that you actually know much on this topic? (c) that I give a fuck what you say?

    You are a little Nazi, that’s all anyone needs to know.

  21. Post Disagreement
    November 28, 2009    

    The problem with this idea of giving citizenship to people just because they are born somewhere…is that it makes that country a magnet for more migration.

    And name which countries beside the USA, gives birth right citizenship….maybe some say that is one requirement but that is not the ONLY requirement…further what NON-European country accepts a 10% demographic change in 20 years!

    Its only European nations that must become multiracial multiethnic multi this or that..

    Japan can stay Japanese,
    Nigeria Nigerian
    Israel Jewish ( they begrudgingly give citizenship to native arabs)

    Fact is a Greek born to Greek parents in Germany would not be understood to be a German..perhaps they might get citizenship but ..ethnically they would still be Greek.

    Likewise..this boy whose mother is illegally in the country should not get citizenship.

    Because if we do that..then basically we are telling the world our borders do not matter…come in lay your eggs and you get to be a citizen.

    Sorry but thats an insane immigration policy.

  22. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    PD: again, you don’t get it! First of all, I don’t think you or anyone else here other than I knows what constitutes a sound immigration policy. By that, I presume you mean one that does not encourage illegal migration, or criminals, or excessive numbers of people who will never find employment etc. If you agree, then let me tell you that EVERYTHING Greece has done in the last 20 years has encouraged exactly that sort of migration. So, by ny definition, Greece has one of the most insane immigration policies of the EU.

    The issue of granting citizenship is a legal one of making a bond between individuals and the state. This is conferred on long-term residents who have a strong relation with (in this case) Greece. Does being born here, being educated in Greek schools, knowing only the Greek language and culture well, mean nothing to you! All that is needed other than these things is a legal commitment by that individual to his/her country of birth, in time of war etc.

    Yet, far from welcoming committed people who can strive to make Greece a better place, you all continue with malakies about (falsified) history. You prefer to grant citizenship to people who have no relation with Greece, other than some fictitious nonsense invented in the last century or two. Now, THAT IS A CRAZY POLICY.

    You see, everything that you nationalists hold so dear, by normal professional standards is considered just stupid. You end up with a mess, which is exactly what Greece is in at the moment. And I don’t see it going anyway any time soon, since there are too many assholes talking crap.

  23. Cyd
    November 28, 2009    

    Cyd: do you really think (a) that you make more rational arguments than me?

    Yes, of course I do. This is clearly obvious to anyone reading with an open mind. Hence your inability to provide any sort of retort that does not have a smear, insult, or an appeal to your “authority”. Those are not “rational” arguments, by the way. They are signs of your stupidity and lack of intellect.

    (b)that you actually know much on this topic?

    Yes, more than you are willing to admit.

    (c) that I give a fuck what you say?

    I’m not here to convince you, you stupid, ego maniacal little twat. I am here to ridicule you and show your arguments for the garbage that they are. Tired, old, has-been, failed, useless garbage. That is all you ever spout.

    You are a little Nazi, that’s all anyone needs to know.

    Why thank you, professor know nothing. Of course, another example of why we should assume this to be correct since the great “authority” says so.

  24. Cyd
    November 28, 2009    

    PD: again, you don’t get it! First of all, I don’t think you or anyone else here other than I knows what constitutes a sound immigration policy.

    HAHAHAHA

    As if on cue! Only the Great Baloney knows about “sound immigration policy” here, folks! This guy is comedy gold! LOL

    Yes, I have to admit that you do know a lot about an immigration policy that has been a failure and has led to mass immigration and the beginnings of civil unrest, of all places in your native Britain, to name just one. Why is that, Great Baloney? They didn’t follow your sage advice? Or did they?

    And why is such a genius, expert, know it all, exiled to a backwater place like Greece? LMAO!

  25. Cyd
    November 28, 2009    

    And for the record, I have yet to see ANY EVIDENCE from this flim flam man to back his assertions. Whenever he is asked for evidence, he

    1) Ignores it.
    2) Appeals to his authority. LOL Doesn’t even have the decency to appeal to a “higher authority”.
    3) Throws a tantrum.

    Same routine, over and over. THIS is the Great Baloney in action. Pay attention, folks.

  26. Cyd
    November 28, 2009    

    You see, everything that you nationalists hold so dear, by normal professional standards is considered just stupid.

    More examples of utter bullshit. Who are these people that created these “normal professional standards”? When and how did this come about? Were the public involved in creating these “standards” that will alter their lives dramatically? The immigration policy changes in America, Canada, Australia, and the UK were not discussed in open forums and put to a referendum. That, I am certain.

    One can, with a great deal of effort, try to understand the Idiot’s point of view IF it is constant throughout. Yet, that is where he and his ilk fail to convince the populace. Their stance is one method for Europe and western people and another for other parts of the world. Unequal treatment of peoples. Yeah, there is a recipe for success as I have never heard of anything bad ever happening when this sort of “professional standard” was put in place. LOL

  27. Xenos
    November 28, 2009    

    It’s like arguing with children, and I am not prepared to waste my time and expertise on idiots like you.

  28. Deaf Ender
    November 29, 2009    

    EU-regionalism isn’t a real possibility, anyway…

  29. Cyd
    November 30, 2009    

    It’s like arguing with children, and I am not prepared to waste my time and expertise on idiots like you.

    Let me repeat:

    And for the record, I have yet to see ANY EVIDENCE from this flim flam man to back his assertions. Whenever he is asked for evidence, he

    1) Ignores it.
    2) Appeals to his authority. LOL Doesn’t even have the decency to appeal to a “higher authority”.
    3) Throws a tantrum.

  30. Cyd
    December 4, 2009    

    Some very disturbing news for our resident race denier and societal tinkerer.

    The looming crisis in human genetics

    Human geneticists have reached a private crisis of conscience, and it will become public knowledge in 2010. The crisis has depressing health implications and alarming political ones. In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races.

    About five years ago, genetics researchers became excited about new methods for “genome-wide association studies” (GWAS). We already knew from twin, family and adoption studies that all human traits are heritable: genetic differences explain much of the variation between individuals. We knew the genes were there; we just had to find them. Companies such as Illumina and Affymetrix produced DNA chips that allowed researchers to test up to 1m genetic variants for their statistical association with specific traits. America’s National Institutes of Health and Britain’s Wellcome Trust gave huge research grants for gene-hunting. Thousands of researchers jumped on the GWAS bandwagon. Lab groups formed and international research consortia congealed. The quantity of published GWAS research has soared.

    In 2010, GWAS fever will reach its peak. Dozens of papers will report specific genes associated with almost every imaginable trait—intelligence, personality, religiosity, sexuality, longevity, economic risk-taking, consumer preferences, leisure interests and political attitudes. The data are already collected, with DNA samples from large populations already measured for these traits. It’s just a matter of doing the statistics and writing up the papers for Nature Genetics. The gold rush is on throughout the leading behaviour-genetics centres in London, Amsterdam, Boston, Boulder and Brisbane.

    ~~~snip~~~

    We will also identify the many genes that create physical and mental differences across populations, and we will be able to estimate when those genes arose. Some of those differences probably occurred very recently, within recorded history. Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending argued in “The 10,000 Year Explosion” that some human groups experienced a vastly accelerated rate of evolutionary change within the past few thousand years, benefiting from the new genetic diversity created within far larger populations, and in response to the new survival, social and reproductive challenges of agriculture, cities, divisions of labour and social classes. Others did not experience these changes until the past few hundred years when they were subject to contact, colonisation and, all too often, extermination.

    If the shift from GWAS to sequencing studies finds evidence of such politically awkward and morally perplexing facts, we can expect the usual range of ideological reactions, including nationalistic retro-racism from conservatives and outraged denial from blank-slate liberals. The few who really understand the genetics will gain a more enlightened, live-and-let-live recognition of the biodiversity within our extraordinary species—including a clearer view of likely comparative advantages between the world’s different economies.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    I do fine the slight PC tone in the last paragraph to be a bit off-putting. Nationalistic retro racism from conservatives? Talk about stereotyping. How about common sense ends up being right all along instead of the contortionist thinking of the lunatic left and their cultural marxist kooks?

    Vindication! I love it. With that, we can ignore everything that our resident idiot ever has to say again.

  31. Cyd
    December 4, 2009    

    Link to the above…

    The Economist

  32. Cyd
    December 4, 2009    

    No comment???

    No surprise!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  33. Deaf Ender
    December 5, 2009    

    So, 1 article that pretends to predict the future will settle all “controversies” regarding genetics? And even if “‘biological race’ is proven to be ‘real'” what’s going to change in the average person’s perceptions anyway?

    I’m not even sure what this is supposed to prove in the first place. What are you responding to?

    Are you from the ‘new world’? This fixation on race seems to occur over there but what do we care?

  34. Xenos
    December 5, 2009    

    Only a buffoon would quote a popular economics magazine as the ultimate authority on human genetics. The Economist is not that hot even on economics, for Christ’s sake…they’re journalists, not Nobel Prize winners.

  35. Post Disagreement
    December 5, 2009    

    I think that CYD misses the point as much as Xenos.

    I do not care if my children are taller or shorter or lower Iq or higher iq etc than yours.. I love them more than I could love your children because they are mine not because I hate yours.

    So lets amplify that. I do not hate Nigerians, Albanians, etc..
    but I love my people group and want them to have a homeland..considering that the ancient lands we once were able to live in are no longer home (much of Turkey)…at least not a home where they would be equal…So I am using the Jewish argument for Israel.. We need (and all people) desire a homeland for our people where we maintain numerical strength.

    This has nothing to do with being against minorities or even immigrants..except in the sense that we do not want any more immigrants for sure for

    1) on the economic level…there is no place for them
    2) our demographic is already under threat with the 1 + million or 20% change in population in 20 years.

    our ancestors fought for this land to be an inheritance for us not so that we hand it over to the co-religionist of our former oppressors…or anybody else for that matter.

    Anyway with the adoption of the Euro and submission to the bureaucratic undemocratic NWO suprastate I suppose the country is lost anyway. ( no control of your currency means somebody else controls you).

  36. Cyd
    December 5, 2009    

    I truly think that Xenos is an idiot. I know I call him the Idiot, but I honestly believe this guy is a complete moron. Why? Well, why on earth would someone put up something like this…

    Only a buffoon would quote a popular economics magazine as the ultimate authority on human genetics. The Economist is not that hot even on economics, for Christ’s sake…they’re journalists, not Nobel Prize winners.

    The person who puts up the quote above as some sort of refutation is either a liar or an idiot. You see, Xenos has this “thing” about immediately disregarding any evidence as not good enough, no matter where it comes from. He’s done it before and did it again. Any normal person can easily see the evidence does not COME FROM the Economist, but is only REPORTED in the Economist. The evidence COMES FROM geneticists who will be publishing the fucking data. How hard is that to understand if one READS AND COMPREHENDS?

    ~~~~~~

    PD, I think as you do, though probably more defiant and less willing to look for common ground. I do not hate anyone, aside from the vermin that represent Xenos and his ilk as they represent who is to blame with the entire mess the west finds itself in. The purpose of the post was to show the Idiot that his race does not exist bullshit, is just that.

  37. Post Disagreement
    December 5, 2009    

    I know this off topic…but about the swiss minaret ban…

    I think its outrageous that Muslims leaders in countries like Egypt dare even open their mouths…considering in their country a christian church needs permision from muslim authorities to even do repairs…and Christians in Muslim countries have a lot more to worry about than buildings…like not getting killed, or forced to convert to islam (or back to islam), etc.

    If this was Buddhist houses of worship nobody would care….
    Western people are sick non-westerners demand for tolerance of them as new comers to europe while they and the cultures they come from do not extend it the other way.

  38. Xenos
    December 5, 2009    

    THe Jewish argument for Israel was actually copied from Greece in the 19th century, so it is a circular argument. And a bad one, except that in the context of Nazi atrocities it started to look like a reasonable argument. However, that is not because the idea of a racially discriminatory homeland is good, it is because the Nazi idea is evil.

    PD: most Islamic countries are abusers of human rights, and terrible places to live in. The fact that they don’t respect other religions is no more relevant than telling us that state-sanctioned torture and murder are commonplace in such countries. European countries pride themsleves on human rights and tolerance: Switzerland went against this in that referendum and it is unacceptable.

  39. Cyd
    December 5, 2009    

    THe Jewish argument for Israel was actually copied from Greece in the 19th century, so it is a circular argument. And a bad one, except that in the context of Nazi atrocities it started to look like a reasonable argument. However, that is not because the idea of a racially discriminatory homeland is good, it is because the Nazi idea is evil.

    Right. What about the Japanese? The Koreans? India and their multi-caste system? While it is common practice to use Nazism to soil any attempted assault on the current dogma for the intellectually stunted or dishonest, it has grown tiresome and predictable. To quote a person discussing “progressive” ideology:

    Disdain, contempt and mockery sans proof will not answer anymore.

    The Idiot’s use of “nazi” indicates the ease he has had to quiet any dissent regarding his world view. All the Nazis are dead. Only their bogeymen roam the minds of the feckless. Need I say more?

    PD: most Islamic countries are abusers of human rights, and terrible places to live in. The fact that they don’t respect other religions is no more relevant than telling us that state-sanctioned torture and murder are commonplace in such countries. European countries pride themsleves on human rights and tolerance: Switzerland went against this in that referendum and it is unacceptable.

    Right. Apparently, the fact that second and third generation Muslims born in Europe are more radical with anti-European beliefs is of no consequence. So much for assimilation. We’ll continue to ignore that messy little truism and continue to push outdated ideology using our best smoke and mirrors to distract the populace. Sharia law is allowed to be practiced in parts of Europe. Maybe the Idiot should address that before he spouts intolerance and the like from Europeans who care about their country and culture. You see, Muslim countries are terrible places to live as he states, however we have the Idiot and his ilk allowing Muslims to bring their hell holes into Europe and their solution is to muzzle the European population.

  40. Deaf Ender
    December 5, 2009    

    Cyd said:

    Apparently, the fact that second and third generation Muslims born in Europe are more radical with anti-European beliefs

    So, does this (fact? is it a fact? btw let’s not forget that “second and third generation Muslims” refers to thousands of people) mean that European societies “radicalize” Muslims more than their home countries do?

  41. Cyd
    December 5, 2009    

    So, does this (fact? is it a fact? btw let’s not forget that “second and third generation Muslims” refers to thousands of people) mean that European societies “radicalize” Muslims more than their home countries do?

    It means that Islam is not a “religion of peace” as the ‘tards like to propagandize. It means that we are NOT all interchangeable cogs in the big wheel of life. It means that the open door immigration, the idea of citizens are merely consumers and workers to make companies more and more money, and the race replacement policies of the last couple of decades have been lies. Utter and abject lies. Time for Europeans to wake the fuck up.

    BTW, there are more than “thousands” of Muslims in Europe, even if you qualify with “second and third generation”. I would say millions is more accurate. While it is “white” of you to view a problem on the individual level while doing your best to avoid generalization of the group. We can no longer ignore that these “individuals” behave very group like and the “moderate” Muslim (an oxymoron if there ever was one) is more a figment of the cultural marxist’s imagination. Moderate Muslims are useless in that they have no control over the radicals and their ideology. They either quietly condone the behaviour or do not want their heads chopped off. Either case, useless.

  42. Xenos
    December 5, 2009    

    American-Greek ranting about Islam has no place on this blog.

  43. Cyd
    December 5, 2009    

    American-Greek ranting about Islam has no place on this blog.

    Clearly, the deeply entrenched belief of “total control” by cultural marxists in their pursuit of totalitarianism is hard to shed in some.

    Secondly, I’m not “American-Greek”, though if I were, why would I not be allowed to discuss Islam on this blog?

    Thirdly, why would I not be allowed to post a response about a topic, Islam, that THE IDIOT brought up himself? LOL

    See what I mean about, the Idiot being an idiot?

    Let me repeat:

    And for the record, I have yet to see ANY EVIDENCE from this flim flam man to back his assertions. Whenever he is asked for evidence, he

    1) Ignores it.
    2) Appeals to his authority. LOL Doesn’t even have the decency to appeal to a “higher authority”.
    3) Throws a tantrum.

  44. The Verve
    December 5, 2009    

    American-Greek ranting about Islam has no place on this blog.

    Ha ha!! What a joke!!! An American-Greek or anyone else for that matter has every right to comment on issues regarding Europe or even Islam. Whether opinion on the matter is positive or negative is besides the point, anything or anyone that impedes free speech truly has no place on the blog.

  45. Post Disagreement
    December 5, 2009    

    Xenos…

    I was not so much commenting on the correctness or incorrectness of the minaret ban….

    But considering the community this ban has an affect on..i.e. Muslims

    Its quite hypocritical for Muslims in other countries and their newspapers to be outraged as if they in their own home practice some version of EU regulated tolerance for minorities.

    Now if local Muslims complain thats another thing.

    i.e. a ban on minarets makes the headlines world wide.

    while abuses against Bahais, Christians and “heretical” Islamic sects goes under-reported…where is the outrage by the grand muftis in these coutnries…non-existent because they themselves encourage this hate.

  46. Xenos
    December 5, 2009    

    PD: I consider hypocrisy and double standards to be so common (especially in religions) that there is little point mentioning it.

    And the local Muslims are so afraid to complain, that they keep their mouths shut. They know that the world is full of Nazis like Cyd, just waiting for an opportunity to fuck up their lives.

  47. Cyd
    December 6, 2009    

    The Idiot:

    And the local Muslims are so afraid to complain, that they keep their mouths shut. They know that the world is full of Nazis like Cyd, just waiting for an opportunity to fuck up their lives.

    Right. The Muslims in France were so fearful with mouths shut that they ONLY managed to set afire 9000 cars in 20 nights in 2005. This Muslim “tradition” continues into the present where, on average, 112 cars are burned per night and at least 4000 police have been injured. This past New Years, feeling more spunky than usual, over 1000 cars were burned.

    Haven’t heard of this? You can thank human garbage like the Idiot who suppress it in order to push unfounded guilt on the European population.

  48. Xenos
    December 6, 2009    

    For those who are intellectually challenged, the term “local Muslims” refers of course to the Muslims in Switzerland, who are mostly from Bosnia and Turkey. Racists often like to generalise about “Muslims” and are so obsessed with their own propaganda that they actually believe the shit that comes our of their mouths.

  49. Cyd
    December 6, 2009    

    The Idiot:

    For those who are intellectually challenged, the term “local Muslims” refers of course to the Muslims in Switzerland, who are mostly from Bosnia and Turkey. Racists often like to generalise about “Muslims” and are so obsessed with their own propaganda that they actually believe the shit that comes our of their mouths.

    Parsing of words and twisting their meaning is the lifeblood of the cultural marxist, so I am not surprised that the Idiot needs to specify local versus distant Muslims, as if it makes any damn difference. Sweden has a large Turkish & Bosnian Muslim population (along with Morocco, Iraq, Iran, and Somalia), are they “local” too? Perfect example and the only reason of its use is to indoctrinate the masses. No, they are not “the other”, they are “local”!! One of US!!!

    Further examples to more word play from the cultural marxist; they now self identify as “progressive”, implying others are not. Those who disagree with them are “haters”. Those who do not support their views are “intolerant”. Those who acknowledge race are “racist”. And those who love their culture and country are “Nazis”. There are many more examples as their lexicon is constantly updated because their ideology is so outdated. Typical con men, always changing their looks in order to not be found out. You have to give them credit though. How many times can they polish the same steaming pile of crap and attempt promote it as the “new” gold everyone must have?

    Hint to the Idiot, Turks are not “local” as we can also thank them for the “local” Bosnian Muslims they helped to create. Come to think of it, YOU are not local either.

  50. Cyd
    December 6, 2009    

    More “local” information:

    Locals

    Two teenage rappers who tried to murder a pregnant 15-year-old girl for getting in the way of their careers were jailed for a total of 32 years today.

    Brandon Jolie, 19, who made an album with chart-topping grime star Tinchy Stryder, wanted the victim killed to stop her having his baby.

    He recruited fellow musician Kingsley Ogundele, 19, during a six-hour online chat after complaining she was ‘trying to f*** up my life.’

    The pair arranged to lure the victim to her death at the Regents Canal in Islington, north London.

    Ogundele then battered the girl over the head with a metal pole, punched and kicked her and pushed her into the water.

    She only survived because a brave passer-by interrupted the attack as Ogundele held her head under the water.

    Tour guide Andrew Hall was commended for his bravery at the Old Bailey today as the pair were sentenced by Judge Paul Worsley QC.

    Then this…

    The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. Of course, in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks

    Facts? Facts be damned as we need cultural and economical enrichers, such as these “LOCAL” shining examples. Isn’t that what The Idiot keeps telling everyone?

  51. Xenos
    December 6, 2009    

    I wonder why one of the stupidest people on this blog keeps calling me an Idiot. I also wonder if he thinks that his arguments somehow look more intellectually convincing by insulting me.

    Sorry, Cyd: shit is shit, no matter how you dress it up. We can still smell your racism: the odour is quite offensive.

  52. Cyd
    December 6, 2009    

    The Idiot:

    I wonder why one of the stupidest people on this blog keeps calling me an Idiot.

    Apparently, the one who fancies himself the genius and all knowing on this blog needs it explained to him. The reason is, dear Idiot, is that you ARE an idiot and hence why I call you that and will forever refer to you as that.

    Only a tried and true idiot does not even give a split second pause after all the information and evidence that has been presented to you on this blog, and not only by me.

    Only an Idiot ignores data. Only an Idiot casts aside information as being “not reliable” when it is clear he fails to understand it, at best, and not having read it, at worst. Only an Idiot marches on with old biases despite the world changing dramatically. Only an Idiot spout catch phrases with no evidence, that these catch phrases are in fact true or merely one’s imagination. Only an idiot continually returns for shellacking after shellacking all the while being too stupid to realize he is on the receiving end.

    I also wonder if he thinks that his arguments somehow look more intellectually convincing by insulting me.

    You deserve no respect. You are a charlatan and an opportunist, judging by your words here and your “CV”, if one wants to call it that. You are not the intellectual you claim to be. Far from it, actually. You are an Idiot that needs to be ostracized in order to prevent you from doing any more harm than you have already done.

    Sorry, Cyd: shit is shit, no matter how you dress it up. We can still smell your racism: the odour is quite offensive.

    You have yet to prove anyone here is racist. We all know it easily comes out of your shithole as you attempt to label anyone that disagrees with you as racist. Yet, there is no evidence, by normal standards and not “progressive” definitions, of racism here.

    You are the stereotype of what I write about, and being such a great example of the cultural marxist clown, I must thank you for that. If I did not know any better, I would have thought you were being paid to help me make my point against the vermin that you are and represent. Hence the Idiot moniker.

    While you let that sink in, please go on about how race isn’t real again while we wait for actual PhD in genetics put forth annihilating evidence against that marxist lie in the not too distant future. Though as the article clearly states, some will never accept this evidence as it puts into question their “religion”.

  53. Xenos
    December 6, 2009    

    Cyd: you are a nasty little self-admitted racist, so don’t bother to deny it now. And your opinion of my research? I dont give a fuck what assholes think. Your opinionated crap is typical of so many Greeks, always full of their self-importance but so sadly lacking in achievements. And your racist obsessions are getting to be very boring, as are your accusations of marxist to anyone left of Attila the Hun.

  54. Cyd
    December 6, 2009    

    I will await, with great anticipation, this claim of yours of my “self-admitted” racism. I don’t expect you to provide any evidence, mind you. I mean, why change now?

    You do not have to give “a fuck” of my opinion of your research. Though that does not preclude the fact that your academic credentials are a pile of crap, self inflated, and would no doubt be worthless in another time when actual academic quality was demanded from true intellects instead of lying opportunists.

    Your opinionated crap is typical of so many Greeks, always full of their self-importance but so sadly lacking in achievements.

    These racist generalizations seem to always sail over your head. Don’t they? One aspect of respect and honour is that one does not behave hypocritically. You are a hypocrite and that, even if we ignore all your other failings, makes you one to ridicule and refer as The Idiot.

    And your racist obsessions are getting to be very boring, as are your accusations of marxist to anyone left of Attila the Hun.

    Another use of “racist” in a very short paragraph. It is almost that is all you have left. It may surprise you, most of my political and societal beliefs are actual left-moderate. They just are not lunatic marxist. You are a lunatic cultural marxist with more than a smidgen of nihilism where nothing is real aside from the lunacy coming out of your mouth. It certainly is NOT my fault that your beliefs are so easily deconstructed right in front of your eyes. To a normal person, that would indicate a reanalysis of one’s beliefs are in order. To a NORMAL person are the key words.

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