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Improved Migrant Centres

Via Kathimerini

Deputy Citizens’ Protection Minister Spyros Vougias yesterday condemned the “wretched and inhumane” conditions at an overcrowded migrant detention center on the eastern Aegean island of Lesvos and pledged to work with other government ministries to improve the quality of accommodation offered to would-be migrants and refugees arriving in Greece from Turkey.

“We will seek to upgrade infrastructure and curb bureaucracy so that the migrants are detained for shorter periods of time and with more dignity,” Vougias told reporters after touring the Pagani center. He described the center, designed to hold 300 people but currently accommodating more than double this number, as “a concentration camp” and said it was “not a place for human beings.”

Vougias said he would try to secure the release from the center of dozens of young children, many of them unaccompanied minors, reportedly living in extremely cramped quarters in one of the warehouse rooms.

In a related development yesterday, Citizens’ Protection Minister Michalis Chrysochoidis chaired a meeting of senior ministry and coast guard officials as well as top-ranking police officers and immigration experts to discuss ways of tackling the relentless influx of would-be migrants into Greece from Turkey. According to sources, the minister is planning a redistribution of coast guard resources with the aim of putting more staff and resources in “hot spots,” chiefly in the eastern Aegean where most smuggling ships are intercepted.

Chrysochoidis is also said to be planning closer cooperation between coast guard and police officers, particularly in the eastern Aegean.

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55 Comments

  1. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 24, 2009    

    And who is going to pay for all these? The stupid,dirty and racist Greeks!!!
    And how is this going to solve the illegal immigration problem?
    Seriously, I can’t understand the mentality of corrupt and traitorous politicians, like Chrysochoidis(I don’t care if I spelled his name right).

  2. Xenos
    October 24, 2009    

    Greeks pay for nothing. Greeks actually steal money, as if you didn’t know. Now there is an investigation into possible embezzlement of several hundred thousand Euros given by the EU for the island migrant detention centres.

    So, let’s cut the crap about the poor Greeks paying for anything. In fact, Greeks are stealing money from the poor immigrants via the excessive fees for renewal of residence permits. The massive amounts of money (70 million a year) are going to IKA and also to the Migration Policy Institute, that employs ONLY Greeks. There may also be embezzlement, but that is conjecture at this time. There is certainly a life of luxury for those Greeks on the migration gravy train.

  3. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 24, 2009    

    The money spent on those centers could be used for hospital equipment or school maintenance, not these new centers which sent the message that Greece is soft with the illegal immigrants.
    And another thing, if Greeks are such thieves and take advantage of the “poor poor” immigrants, why don’t they go somewhere else? Why did they come illegally into Greece in the first place?

  4. Travlos Konstantinos
    October 24, 2009    

    “Why did they come illegally into Greece in the first place?” because that is the route through which you have to go in order to reach Germany and the Scandies.

  5. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 25, 2009    

    Travlos, you mean the illegal route to West Europe. As far as I know law abiding citizens have enough respect for borders to use the legal transportational means, instead of some slave driver with non-existent morals.

  6. Travlos Konstantinos
    October 25, 2009    

    “use the legal transportational means,”

    If those exist. Have you tried to come legally from Bangladesh to Denmark with the income of the lowest social rung? I would love to know your experiences. Please do tell!

  7. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 25, 2009    

    So, Travlos, what you’re saying is that Bangladesh is cut off from the rest of the world, that there are no ships leaving from there and the only way someone can leave is by paying 10000 dollars to a cutthroat pirate.

  8. Travlos Konstantinos
    October 25, 2009    

    Again have you tried to come from Bangladesh to Europe on the income of the lowest social rung?

    I haven’t but the fact that most Bangladeshis come that way is indicative to me that coming in other ways may be problematic.

  9. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 25, 2009    

    Again have you tried to come from Bangladesh to Europe on the income of the lowest social rung?

    If their income is so low, then how do they pay the slave drivers?
    With promises and puppy eyes?

  10. Travlos Konstantinos
    October 26, 2009    

    Obviously you have studied the illegal immigrant market. People use meager resources to get loans (many of these people are small plot agriculturalists, they put that small plot as enexyro for the loans) from loan-sharks tied to the smuggling operations. They use those loans to pay their passage to the smugglers who in return through local mafias funnel back to the loan sharks any money these migrants make in there new place. This is very usually with female migrants who are sold to prostitution. Now you would ask why not use the money to pay for an airline ticket. Well these people are told by the smugglers of how hard it is to get legal in Europe but how they can make sure they get a job.

    For this vile cycle to break you either have to close and mine your borders assuring that any illegal immigrants die or are captured in an attempt to enter the country or create a more rational migration policy.

  11. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 26, 2009    

    Travlos, I agree with most of the things you mention about slave trade.

    create a more rational migration policy

    What exactly do you mean by that? Are you writing about integration? If by “rational migration policy” you mean turning Greece into the multicultural hellholes the UK and France have turned into, then no thanks.
    The only way for Greece to survive is by maintaining its national identity and its racial purity.

  12. HOMELAND SECURITY
    October 26, 2009    

    it’s like dogs, bastards are much nicer but the white fucker will send his bastard back to the ghetto or “home”.
    that all migrants pay to smugglers is propaganda like “taliban-terrorism” (90% are afghan freedom-fighters). in reality refugees are very often on the road for years, get steady jobs and wait.
    anyway this people have any right to take the whole bakery cuz without their 3rd world slaves the white race would be nothing.
    just an actual example: 15% of all refugees are fishermen cuz white european companies stealing the fish away (ask “pirates” from somalia!) and why? Cuz the white man is too stupid to dive, harpune or fish. He is too stupid to feed himself but he is not too stupid to exploit others like a fathersucking rapist. in fact he is a rapist, raping the whole planet. that again leads 80 millions escaping their homes and why? cuz the white european is a lazy, fat little douchebag who needs cars to move a few miles!
    your national identy and racial purity will make a good job when some pure white skinheads will lynch you. for them ya’re no greek, just a kanak.
    custer died for your sins and he died with shit in his pants!
    fighting terrorism since 1492
    HOMELAND SECURITY

  13. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 26, 2009    

    Wow, I haven’t witnessed such a display of White-hating, liberal properganda (cause racism is wrong, except against White people, they always get what they deserve).

    “taliban-terrorism” (90% are afghan freedom-fighters)

    Go tell that to an Afghan woman who sufferd a Clitoridectomy.

    15% of all refugees are fishermen cuz white european companies stealing the fish away

    The reasons which led to the industrialization of agriculture and fishing is the population boom caused by the 3rd world countries.

    in fact he is a rapist, raping the whole planet. that again leads 80 millions escaping their homes and why? cuz the white european is a lazy, fat little douchebag who needs cars to move a few miles!

    You know you are right, the White Man must back off from the third world, stop sending humanitarian aid and withdraw all investments. This way these magnificent people will be able to live free from the evil influence of the despicable Whites.

  14. Cyd
    October 26, 2009    

    stop sending humanitarian aid

    I know how you meant this, however this “humanitarian” aid, the most notable of which has been Geldofs famine relief in the early 80s, that and Bono’s mewling has been disasterous for Africa and Western nations that have to “find work”
    for these Geldofites. Thing is, African population has exploded due to this misplaced aid. You can see how the population has increased of late by these figures.

    Africa (Year-Population) 1900-133M 1950-221M 1999-767M 2008-973M 2050-1,766M

    As by this chart in comparison to other regions of the world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WorldPopulation.png

    Though From the LA Times, that is not how it is sold to the useful idiots that find themselves all over this board…

    Bob Geldof is touring Africa yet again, followed by TV cameras, to document that “War, Famine, Plague & Death are the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and these days they’re riding hard through the back roads of Africa.”

    Let’s begin with those rampaging Four Horsemen. Do they really explain Africa today? What percentage of the African population would you say dies in war every year? What share of male children, age 10 to 17, are child soldiers? How many Africans are afflicted by famine or died of AIDS last year or are living as refugees?

    In each case, the answer is one-half of 1% of the population or less. In some cases it’s much less; for example, annual war deaths have averaged 1 out of every 10,800 Africans for the last four decades. That doesn’t lessen the tragedy, of course, of those who are such victims, and maybe there are things the West can do to help them. But the typical African is a long way from being a starving, AIDS-stricken refugee at the mercy of child soldiers. The reality is that many more Africans need latrines than need Western peacekeepers — but that doesn’t play so well on TV.

    Further distortions of Africa emanate from former British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s star-studded Africa Progress Panel (which includes the ubiquitous Geldof). The panel laments in its 2007 news release that Africa remains “far short” of its goal of making “substantial inroads into poverty reduction.” But this doesn’t quite square with the sub-Saharan Africa that in 2006 registered its third straight year of good GDP growth — about 6%, well above historic averages for either today’s rich countries or all developing countries. Growth of living standards in the last five years is the highest in Africa’s history.

    The real Africa also has seen cellphone and Internet use double every year for the last seven years. Foreign private capital inflows into Africa hit $38 billion in 2006 — more than foreign aid. Africans are saving a higher percentage of their incomes than Americans are (so much for the “poverty trap” of being “too poor to save” endlessly repeated in aid reports). I agree that it’s too soon to conclude that Africa is on a stable growth track, but why not celebrate what Africans have already achieved?

    Instead, the international development establishment is rigging the game to make Africa — which is, of course, still very poor — look even worse than it really is. It announces, for instance, that Africa is the only region that is failing to meet the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs in aid-speak) set out by the United Nations. Well, it takes extraordinary growth to cut extreme poverty rates in half by 2015 (the first goal) when a near-majority of the population is poor, as is the case in Africa. (Latin America, by contrast, requires only modest growth to halve its extreme poverty rate from 10% to 5%.)

    This is how Blair’s panel managed to call Africa’s recent growth successes a failure. But the reality is that virtually all other countries that have escaped extreme poverty did so through the kind of respectable growth that Africa is enjoying — not the kind of extraordinary growth that would have been required to meet the arbitrary Millennium Development Goals.

  15. Travlos Konstantinos
    October 26, 2009    

    Homeland Security and Cyd and Antimulticuturalism

    Please keep US stupidity in US, where terms like “White” and “Black” and “Yellow” and “Red” are actually given credence. And don’t tell me this is the result of multi-culturalism. Bollocks! This is the result of policy choices by stupid politicains supported by people like you. New Zealand had the same problems but they actually solved them.

    For a buck of America haters you are really fast in wanting to solve your problems like the US did.

  16. HOMELAND SECURITY
    October 26, 2009    

    HEIL LENIN!
    before the elections Obama pointed out to stand for all americans: “white, asian, spanish and black.” I can’t find any “red” in that all-american racism.
    New Zealand solved problems?
    i didn’t noticed that white squatters gave back N.Z. to the Maori and left to europe. I only know about treating fighting Maori as “terrorists” (movement of 15th october) and still calling them “minority”. Still europeans relocating to N.Z., Australia or U.S. of A. don’t ask the “natives” for visa!
    -population-boom in africa leaves out totally how many got lost in genocide and slavery.
    -smart L.A. Times is so tricky: How can one compare american to african economics? esp when every jerk screams “crisis” when there is zero growth.
    and anyway the “overpopulation” is located in the 1st world with too many folks living per square metre. they can’t feed themselves without exploitation!
    -industrialization is caused by the money machine! but anti-multi-culti white supremacy propaganda will proof that africans were eating european seas empty. You’d better check your skin for little brown pieces and take a laser to get pure white and stay out of the sun!
    -90% non taliban was on the news, just the same thang like in iraq. the cowards should leave at least their anti-wedding-parties tanks and bombers at home!
    how comes the marines fighting there, is there any afghan coast on the map?
    Bonno Geldorf was too lame and stupid as their music. their life aid better should make fundraisings for weapons, so that everybody who wants to come has a chance to fight fortress europe and it developes from migration to colonization; so ya get reason for ya paranoia.
    -doncha know that 9/11 wasn’t el kaida?
    with stopping air traffic for one day or two it was the only reasonable attempt against climate catastrophe!
    FREE AMERICA!
    THE 500 NATIONS WILL BE BACK!
    BLOW THE U.S. UP TO MARS!

  17. Cyd
    October 27, 2009    

    Please keep US stupidity in US, where terms like “White” and “Black” and “Yellow” and “Red” are actually given credence.

    Gee Kosta, sorry to be so backward, however given your penchant for humanitarian immigration policies, you too will quickly become acquainted with and forced to use such “vile” terms. Give it time.

    Another point to remember is for every vocal Homeland Insecurity White hater there is out there, there are 1000 more quiet ones that think exactly like he does.

  18. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 27, 2009    

    Please keep US stupidity in US, where terms like “White” and “Black” and “Yellow” and “Red” are actually given credence.

    I’m sorry, I always thought we Hellenes belonged to the White race. Maybe you are one of those who believe we’re Ethiopians 😉
    But seriously, White Americans know first hand the terrors of multiculturalism. Maybe it’s too late for them to do anything, but it’s not too late for Greece YET!
    We must close our ears to the propaganda of the Zionist-controlled Greek politicians and press for a stricter immigration policy and immediate deportation of all illegal non-refugee economical immigrants.

  19. HOMELAND SECURITY
    October 27, 2009    

    there is no such thang like “white americans”, they are europeans occupating america. you should know that at least as multi-culti is an european concept.

  20. Xenos
    October 28, 2009    

    Greeks who actually know real-life history will tell you that the Greek migrants to the USA 100 years ago and to Germany 50 years ago were treated as non-white. Racism has no limits, so all of you who are advocating it should bear in mind that we can also find excuses to discriminate against you.

  21. Vangelis
    October 29, 2009    

    We must close our ears to the propaganda of the Zionist-controlled Greek politicians and press(…)

    Why are you such a caricature?

  22. AntiMultiCulturalism
    October 29, 2009    

    What is wrong with wanting to keep your countries demographics stable? What is wrong not wanting to become a minority in your own country? Why is multiculturalism enforced in Europe?
    Just read some of the newspapers in Britain or Sweden and you’ll see daily reports of violent crimes committed by immigrants.
    Why isn’t multiculturalism enforced in Israel? Israel has an apartheid going on in the 21st century but nobody cares.
    As whether the politicians are controlled by Zionists or not, answer these two questions:
    i)Why is there a special word for racism against Jews(antisemitism)?
    ii)Why is the EU intending to penalize Holocaust questioning?

  23. Xenos
    October 29, 2009    

    i) because the Nazis systemetically murdered millions of Jews, after centuries of anti-semitism in Europe
    ii) there is a big difference between arguing about the number of Jews murdered in Nazi Germany and claiming that the Holocaust didn’t happen. The former is legitimate historical debate: the latter is clearly a political position and nothing to do with history. It is the latter which is already outlawed in most EU countries (but not Greece, of course).

  24. Cyd
    October 30, 2009    

    i) What about the slave trade that led to 12 million black Africans being taken from their homeland and shipped around the world? Don’t they deserve a special word too, genius?

    ii) A difference without a distinction. Having the “gall” to question the total number of Jewish deaths, in and of itself, can lead to legal troubles including jail time.

    Why do you bother, Lout? You are an ignorant piece of crap that advocates the genocide and/or displacement of the indigenous peoples of Europe, according the Geneva Convention on genocide. What is the appropriate punishment for genocidalists?

  25. Xenos
    October 30, 2009    

    Cretin: there is no case, to my knowledge, of a historian who did serious research on Holocaust numbers and was prosecuted (let alone jailed). The Holocaust deniers, who hid behind the pretence of numbers, are the ones who were jailed.

    Your ignorance and fascist viewpoint are beyond belief. The twisting of facts to try to paint persons who support human rights and the rule of law as proponents of genocide is typical of nasty-minded modern Nazis.

  26. Cyd
    October 30, 2009    

    there is no case, to my knowledge, of a historian who did serious research on Holocaust numbers and was prosecuted (let alone jailed). The Holocaust deniers, who hid behind the pretence of numbers, are the ones who were jailed.

    Lout, you have barely any knowledge anything and your comment above is filled with weasle words such as “to your knowledge”, “serious research”, or “prosecuted”, which could mean anything under the sun. Who determines who is doing “serious” research, Lout? You? Crap like you? Why don’t you give us a little synopsis of the people, actual historians, who have been jailed and what their crimes were before spouting your shit from your shithole. That would be more informative.

    The twisting of facts to try to paint persons who support human rights and the rule of law as proponents of genocide is typical of nasty-minded modern Nazis.

    If the shoe fits, Lout. The Geneva convention is quite clear on what constitutes genocide. You and your ilk are promoters of it. Oops! You stepped in that one, didn’t you?

  27. Post Disagrement
    October 31, 2009    

    What is wrong with wanting to keep your countries demographics stable? What is wrong not wanting to become a minority in your own country? Why is multiculturalism enforced in Europe?
    Just read some of the newspapers in Britain or Sweden and you’ll see daily reports of violent crimes committed by immigrants.
    Why isn’t multiculturalism enforced in Israel? Israel has an apartheid going on in the 21st century but nobody cares.

    i agree with antimulticulturalism.,..these are legit questions.

    there is this push in only majority european countries for multiculturalism..not for Japan, China, Korea, Arab states, Israel…( in order to get citizenship in Israel you have to prove some connection to Judaism ..thais, blacks, etc. who show up looking for work will never be Buddhist Israelis, etc.)

    Actually there is a claim that the original 6 million figure included 4 million from Auschwitz. but that now that is impossible mathematically because the new estimate is only that 1.5 million died at Auschwitz. So, thats 1/3 of the 6 million that is gone.

    But thats not the point. whether it was 6 or 4 or 1 million
    should not be the point as much as its wrong to kill people..including armenians, assyrians and greeks and tutsis and slavic christians (i.e. communist atheist, many of whom were Jewish)…i.e. Jewish suffering is not more important than other peoples suffering we are all human beings and should treat each other with respect should be the lesson we learn from history.
    Not that certain groups are innocent angels..or if they were, that some how this requires deference to that groups present behaviors no matter how outrageous.

    Descendant of holocaust survivors like Israel Shahak who wrote Judaism the weight of 3000 years of history and Norman Finkelstein who is a secular Jewish professor who criticizes Israel vis a vis the palestinians clear point out that while innocent people suffered in Germany…nonetheless the centuries of antisemitism is an exaggeration as the religion of orthodox Judaism is disparaging of Gentiles and teaches a negativbe attitude towards gentiles, intermarriage with them, even hate and distrust. So, of course, those attitudes breed mistrust and nastiness right back.

  28. Post Disagrement
    October 31, 2009    

    anyway this article is about migrant centers..how did we get on holocausts here.

    I think its a good idea to improve migrant centers:

    1) create jobs in construction
    2) provide a place to process people to determine their situation i.e.legit asylum seeker or economic migrant
    and then handling them as called for..
    i.e. illegal economic migrants should be sent back immediately.
    legit asylum seekers should be helped in the capcity for the state and society to deal with them …beyond that X number the rest need to be spread amongst not just EU nations but rich countries like USA< Japan, Korea, Taiwan , Gulf states, and the neighboring countries were these wars are going on…perhaps for instance Iran can be given funding for taking in and absorbing some of the afghanis.

    but who knows the way things are going Iranians maybe leaving a war zone headed to Europe.

  29. Post Disagrement
    October 31, 2009    

    Xenos says:
    October 28, 2009 at 1:19 pm
    Greeks who actually know real-life history will tell you that the Greek migrants to the USA 100 years ago and to Germany 50 years ago were treated as non-white. Racism has no limits, so all of you who are advocating it should bear in mind that we can also find excuses to discriminate against you.

    ,exactly my point…we need a homeland for Greeks to have to feel safe thats first and foremost primarily for them.
    i.e. the reason Jews give for the need for Israel..a safe place for Jews to be in case of trouble.

  30. Xenos
    October 31, 2009    

    PD: for the most part, I don’t disagree with what you wrote above. Just a few issues of proportionality:
    (1) there is no threat to Greece as the homeland of Greeks. Nor should this ever be allowed.
    (2) the last 20 years saw “illegal immigration” as the main way to work in Greece, as the Greek state was so exclusive. This was a mistake, because now people see illegal immigration into Greece as a normal thing.
    (3) I recall, in older times when I was more “in love” with Greece, Greek friends asking me why i didn’t apply for Greek citizenship. I told them, there is no way to get it. And they were shocked that their country doesn’t welcome new citizens.
    (4) the centuries of anti-semitism debate in Europe is complex. I am as critical of Jewish behaviour as I am of Europeans, and the culmination in the Nazi period in a way was almost inevitable. Still, it was a Holocaust and the shame for Europe is there regardless of quibbling about numbers of murdered Jews (and others).

  31. Cyd
    October 31, 2009    

    (1) there is no threat to Greece as the homeland of Greeks. Nor should this ever be allowed.

    Hear that everyone?! We can ignore what we know to be factually correct and what we see with our own eyes. I mean, who cares that Greek fertility is in the toilet and one of the lowest in Europe at just over 1 where replacement levels need to be just over 2, 2.1 to be exact.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7834459

    That means if maintained exactly as is, Greek population would be cut in half in a generation. And let’s ignore that the immigration into Europe and Greece involves populations with much higher fertility rates, between 3 to 5, depending on whom you refer. Let’s also ignore that these other populations, due to natural competitive processes involving multiple populations within a living space, cause a further DEPRESSION in fertility rates of the hosts. Let’s ignore that and more as we need not worry about such messy facts and we can take solace in the Mendacious Twat’s words that Greece and Europe will be safe. Whhheeeeeeew!!! How again, exactly? Oh nevermind, I’m sure the Lout and his ilk have it all figured out.

    (2) the last 20 years saw “illegal immigration” as the main way to work in Greece, as the Greek state was so exclusive. This was a mistake, because now people see illegal immigration into Greece as a normal thing.

    Greeks need a swift kick in the ass or a direct road towards poverty and hunger as a motivational push. There are enough Greeks to do “work”. No need for immigration, at present. None. Greeks have become way too lazy and way too entitled. As have most other Europeans.

    (3) I recall, in older times when I was more “in love” with Greece, Greek friends asking me why i didn’t apply for Greek citizenship. I told them, there is no way to get it. And they were shocked that their country doesn’t welcome new citizens.

    As it should be. You aren’t Greek after all, are you?

    (4) the centuries of anti-semitism debate in Europe is complex. I am as critical of Jewish behaviour as I am of Europeans, and the culmination in the Nazi period in a way was almost inevitable. Still, it was a Holocaust and the shame for Europe is there regardless of quibbling about numbers of murdered Jews (and others).

    The problem here is that you know “what to say”, yet your actions betray your evil and hatred. Jean-Marie Le Pen has been fined multiple times for the slightest of “transgressions” against these “moderate” laws against free speech you advocate and claim are only against non-serious historians and the like. Here is one such statement that caused a “serious infraction” and fine…

    “If you take a 1,000-page book on World War II, the concentration camps take up only two pages and the gas chambers 10 to 15 lines. This is what one calls a detail.”

    Free speech is either free or it is not and one can see it is not in Europe. You advocate this as well as not allowing the citizens their human right to decide their futures because they are too stupid. In short, you are genocidal piece of crap. No matter how much you attempt to pretty yourself up.

  32. Xenos
    October 31, 2009    

    DD: I really do think that obnoxious racists with their false “facts” and insulting behaviour should be censored here. There is no point in debating with vermin. They just contaminate serious discussion.

  33. Sofoklis Schortsanitis (not really)
    October 31, 2009    

    Sofoklis Schortsanitis: Is this man Greek? Baby Shaq known to Greek players world wide, although just recently he got his As* handed to him by the real Shaq in Cleveland during a friendly game. Only scored 4 points.

    But, He’s Greek, but definitely looks African as well.

    CYD: This is a perfect example of Greece at it’s best.

    Or will you say something snide now.

    What does a Greek look like? I say like Baby Shaq, Pyros Dimmas etc. Those are the Greeks that I’m most proud of.

  34. Cyd
    November 1, 2009    

    I really do think that obnoxious racists with their false “facts” and insulting behaviour should be censored here. There is no point in debating with vermin. They just contaminate serious discussion.

    Yes, of course. Part of the modus operandi of the intellectually dishonest, and in this particular case, dimwitted. No problems arose during your waltz through here with all sorts of diatribes, ridicule, and contempt for the people you ARE A GUEST OF, but as soon as a little heat is applied to your “knowledge” along with expectations of a logical defense of your untenable position, out come the cries for “censorship”. LMAO! What a little twat you are, MALAKA!

    I dare you to find anything in my comment above that is inaccurate you shit eating turd. ANYTHING!

  35. Cyd
    November 1, 2009    

    Sofoklis Schortsanitis: Is this man Greek? Baby Shaq known to Greek players world wide, although just recently he got his As* handed to him by the real Shaq in Cleveland during a friendly game. Only scored 4 points.

    But, He’s Greek, but definitely looks African as well.

    CYD: This is a perfect example of Greece at it’s best.

    Or will you say something snide now.

    What does a Greek look like? I say like Baby Shaq, Pyros Dimmas etc. Those are the Greeks that I’m most proud of.

    And your comment is a perfect example of Greece at its worst. Hence no innovation, production, honesty, integrity, intelligence, logic and all other factors that were once in Greeks that made them great. Only shallowness, lies, dishonesty, corruption, along with the stench of superficiality that produced a mill that churns out long lines of wanna be singers, bouzouki players, and moral less whores that fill the country. Pathetic.

    Let me ask you a question, Aristotle. What is the total ethnic Greek population of Greece? 8-9 Million? What if all those 8-9 Million were “baby Shaqs”? Is the country still Greece? Do these new “baby Shaq Greeks” represent the history and culture of Greece? Certainly, genetically, they do not as WE ALL KNOW, race is a genetic and biological construct.

  36. Vangelis
    November 1, 2009    

    You are arguing against straw-men. Xenos’ comments are much more sensible than you are, purposefully, making them out to be and actually directed against the people responsible for this mess that you’re complaining about in the first place.

  37. Baby Shaq
    November 1, 2009    

    CYD, Baby Shaq’s father is Greek. He’s as Greek as you..

    That’s my point. He has the Greek blood of Aristotle, Socrates etc.

    You can’t deny that. If you do, then you are a fake I believe.

    But, I believe that anyone who loves Greece and becomes a citizen can be Greek. Why not???

    P.S., Who would you root for in a game. Baby Shaq (Greek) or the real Shaq (USA) in a one-on-one B-ball game? That’s a really good question for CYD…

  38. Xenos
    November 1, 2009    

    Certainly, genetically, they do not as WE ALL KNOW, race is a genetic and biological construct.

    No, this is your propaganda. Race is a social construct, and genetic research supports this view. Your own (Cyd’s) ignorant opinions are of no relevance.

  39. Cyd
    November 1, 2009    

    No, this is your propaganda. Race is a social construct, and genetic research supports this view. Your own (Cyd’s) ignorant opinions are of no relevance.

    I think I have shown, quite thoroughly, that what truly is of no relevance are your opinions masqueraded as “academic knowledge”. You do remember that you “do not look at websites”, if I recall correctly, despite these websites showing academic research from peer reviewed academic journals that identify genetic differences in races. Your warped conflation of why you do not believe races exist can apply to all things, including the “social construct” of the sexes. You do believe there are two sexes in the world, do you not, Lout?

  40. Cyd
    November 1, 2009    

    You are arguing against straw-men. Xenos’ comments are much more sensible than you are, purposefully, making them out to be and actually directed against the people responsible for this mess that you’re complaining about in the first place.

    Either you are “star struck” with the esteemed “academic”, biased, are just not too bright. If you think his stance is sensible, all the while ignoring his actions here and the world you see around you, then you would have fit in perfectly in the jury of the OJ Simpson trial.

    He has said, right here on this blog, he has contempt for the citizens of Europe and he agrees that they do not need to be given the right to vote on all things because they are too dense to comprehend. You think this is sensible?

  41. Cyd
    November 1, 2009    

    CYD, Baby Shaq’s father is Greek. He’s as Greek as you..

    That’s my point. He has the Greek blood of Aristotle, Socrates etc.

    You can’t deny that. If you do, then you are a fake I believe

    I think you are a moron. I know who Schortsanitis’ father is and I know he married an African. What you fail to realize that mixed marriage children of black/white couples nearly ALWAYS relate to being black. Ummmm, who can I think of to make this point….I know there must be SOMEBODY to show you…oh yeah. O B A M A! Case in point, the president of the US had a worthless, white impregnating black African for a father and dope of a white mother. The mother and her parents raised Obama, yet who does he related to, consider himself as being, and wrote a book about? Yep, blacks. The white aspect of his genetic and cultural makeup is gone. Any other moronic points you’d like to make? If so, take them to someone else who buys your bullshit.

  42. Xenos
    November 1, 2009    

    Hahaha, we are all morons according to the self-appointed genius called Cyd! So Greek, to think that he is smarter than everyone else, but sadly without any proof.

  43. Xenos
    November 1, 2009    

    And you have shown nothing at all thoroughly, as was explained to you many times by many people. Your selective use of a few websites is not the sum of human knowledge: only a cretin could think so. Try asking world-ranking geneticists what they think, and you will find no support.

    Of course, we all know that you have no interest in the truth, since your objective is the promotion of racism and racialism. Science is either an obstacle or a useful trick for your type: intellectual honesty is completely absent.

  44. Travlos Konstantinos
    November 1, 2009    

    Well Cyd on Obama it helps that nice white supremacists like you have been parroting that one drop of black blood in yer veins makes you black since 1774. No wonder he see himself as black in a country that called people like him black.

    Oh did you forget that who was black and white in the US was decided by courts:)

  45. Travlos Konstantinos
    November 1, 2009    

    As I am sure Michael Steele (RNC chairman) and Thomas Sowell (NR and NRO columnist) relate more to blacks.

  46. Cyd
    November 1, 2009    

    Your selective use of a few websites is not the sum of human knowledge

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

    “Few websites” huh? I guess the peer reviewed journal part sailed over your pointy head? PLoS, Annals of Human Biology, Genes and Immunology and the like are what exactly to you, Lout? I do believe researchers, which includes geneticists, publish in these journals. PLoS is not a journal but it is a “nonprofit organization of scientists and physicians committed to making the world’s scientific and medical literature a freely available public resource”. Seems pretty legit to me. OBVIOUSLY not as legit as you, Lout. LMAO!!

    Science is either an obstacle or a useful trick for your type: intellectual honesty is completely absent

    You have to be the most mendacious piece of shit there is, which is a high probability, or the dumbest fuck on the planet to not see the abject hypocrisy and irony emanating from your comment. How intellectually honest can you be, as in YOU, Lout, when you cannot respond with anything aside from your pleas towards your “expertise”, smears, ad hominems, snide remarks and a complete lack proof for your positions, which again are untenable. Everything out of your shithole is a lie or at best, a very warped version of your reality if one was to give you the benefit of the doubt. When confronted, out comes your “defense” with vitriol such as “nazi”, “racist”.

    I can assure you, and if others were actually intellectually honest would admit, you are an idiot who trips all over yourself with your stupidity and lies. I am actually quite a ways from being idiot or anything else you have called me. It only shows your lack of argument. It also shows how easily agitated you become when confronted by someone who does not buy your bullshit. But then why should we? Anyone who is not indoctrinated to believe your lies see the real world as it is, and this includes ALL non-white racial groups. It is only the indoctrinated white retards that buy into your fantasy world.

  47. Cyd
    November 1, 2009    

    Travlos, you too can STFU with your barely intelligible Marxist drivel.

    Well Cyd on Obama it helps that nice white supremacists like you have been parroting that one drop of black blood in yer veins makes you black since 1774. No wonder he see himself as black in a country that called people like him black

    When did I state otherwise, genius? Oh that’s right, I didn’t and you are simply using a strawman argument to make yourself sound as you are making some point. That’s what’s happening here.

    I do not care HOW this came about and that was not the basis of the comment. The point was to disprove “baby shaq’s” assertion that Greece is great thanks to these “new greeks”, like Schortsanitis. But thanks for jumping in here and helping me show him, again, his point is utterly moronic and the more “baby shaqs” that are allowed in Greece, the less Greek the nation becomes. Bravo dude!! LOL

    Also, unless you are a total moron, which may be the case, exceptions do not make the rule as far as I can tell. Do they in your world?

  48. Xenos
    November 2, 2009    

    This blog seems to attract rather a lot of people with psychiatric problems.

  49. Travlos Konstantinos
    November 2, 2009    

    “you too can STFU”

    ahhumm I see. Erudite argumentation.

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  50. Cyd
    November 2, 2009    

    This blog seems to attract rather a lot of people with psychiatric problems.

    Let me be probably the first person in your sheltered little world to fill you in on a secret that most normal people are aware of. Simply stating a point does not make it true, especially coming from a person with voluminous examples of ineptitude and repeated loss of credibility on this site alone. You see, only the clinically insane or the egomaniacal personality disorder types actually believe their words have an ability to magically transform an utterance into a reality.

    This minor example that you continually display here speaks volumes on your intellect and character. Let’s pretend I am a nobody who is stupid and does not know what he speaks of. In reality, you have no idea who I am. You on the other hand have incessantly told us how great and respected you are in the academic and intellectual sphere. Great, however your behaviour is such that words like horrendous, puerile, petty, condescending, dismissive, dense and intellectually dishonest are more than apt descriptors of you and this behaviour undercuts your entire argument, or at least most of it. I mean, which academic behaves in such a fashion? None that I have known or currently know. You are an embarrassment to people who are actual academics. You are not someone whom people should revere and follow. No, you are a classic example of one that needs shunning and derision.

  51. Cyd
    November 2, 2009    

    Erudite argumentation

    Much more so than anything that has been shown to me.

  52. Baby Shaq
    November 2, 2009    

    CYD, ok, I’m a moron. Let’s get that out of the way to deflate the tension.

    Now, you didn’t answer my question. Who would you root for? Shaq or Baby Shaq (one-on-one) in a game of B-ball. So, USA or Greece in this case. Which is it?

  53. Xenos
    November 2, 2009    

    Cyd: you are such a nasty little cretin (with an oversized ego to boot) that I would be ashamed to receive your praise. So thank you!

  54. HOMELAND SECURITY
    November 3, 2009    

    i thought the original minoans were black. are the arabs also a race or a mix? are greeks a mix of any races? if even germany is able to define afro-germans why not greece? at least the greek riots showed the world the existence of a 2nd generation of socalled migrants similiar to france.
    maybe a tourism-boycot for greece helps to stop racism!

  55. Travlos Konstantinos
    November 5, 2009    

    The Minoans were not black. Their representations have them with the olive or brown skin of Mediterranean people which in ancient representations is different then the black skin of Nubians (look at Egyptian murals to see the difference). Whether this is the result of admixture or not I and nobody else knows or can know. Furthermore the whole concept of race was very different in antiquity (yes I have read the book of Benjamin Issac ” The invention of racism in classical antiquity” but feel he falls into the trap of interpreting his sources with modern concepts in mind, something nationalists also do. And before you splurt it out I have also read Black Athena and Molefi Kete Asante’s work).

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