The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

Open Thread 8

We have had a family member staying at our house this past week so I have stayed away from blogging and enjoyed our time together. I also pulled a muscle (or did something silly) in my neck so I spent yesterday lying down, not being able to move my head! I am intending to stay away from the computer until after the weekend to give myself a chance to properly recover. It’s much better today but I’m not going to push it by sitting here reading and typing.

Today, I am also celebrating 15 years with the love of my life. I feel so lucky. It is not just that we are still together but that we love, respect and appreciate each other as much as ever.

So this is an open thread (I haven’t done one in a while) dedicated to love, friendship and peace. Write anything you like that is positive, hopeful or inspiring. No negativity please. Just for one post.

Hope you all have a fantastic weekend. We’re certainly going to go for it…

35 Comments

  1. Michael Scowcroft
    June 19, 2009    

    I look forward to reading the three things that Xenos actually likes about Greeks and their culture :)

    The floor is yours Xenos…

  2. Michael Scowcroft
    June 19, 2009    

    Go on Xenos, three things that you like about Greeks and their culture. You’ve posted four years worth of misery and negativity on this blog, now’s your chance to show a little love to the Greeks and their country…

    positive, hopeful or inspiring. No negativity please. Just for one post.

  3. Xenos
    June 19, 2009    

    I advise you to show more respect for DD’s request, Scowcroft.

  4. Michael Scowcroft
    June 19, 2009    

    Xenos,
    You can’t quite manage it can you?… :)
    You can’t post a single, solitary positive thing about Greeks and their culture. That says it all. You can’t post a positive thing about the people you work and live amongst. There is no greater example of a hateful person than that…

    DD,
    Congratulations on your 15 year milestone, here’s hoping to many more years of love and happiness….
    Here’s a few positive messages for this positive thread:

    “Fear less, hope more; Eat less, chew more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Love more, and all good things will be yours”
    (Swedish Proverb)

    “You can turn off the sun, but I’m still gonna shine.”
    (Jason Mraz)

    “The best thing to give to your enemy is forgiveness; to an opponent, tolerance; to a friend, your heart; to your child, a good example; to a father, deference; to your mother, conduct that will make her proud of you; to yourself, respect; to all men, charity.”
    (Benjamin Franklin)

    “When you love people and have the desire to make a profound, positive impact
    upon the world, then will you have accomplished the meaning to live.”
    (Sasha Azevado)

    “If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything.”
    (Malcolm X)

    Have a positive weekend everybody! (that may be a bit of a stretch for Xenos… :) )

  5. Marcy Webb
    June 19, 2009    

    My parents have been married for 46 years. Not many like that any more. I am proud of them for their longevity, and sticking it out. :)

  6. Marcy Webb
    June 19, 2009    

    Congratulations, DD on your 15 years!

  7. Xenos
    June 20, 2009    

    I am just sick and tired of personal attacks on this blog. I suggest that ppl think a little bit before mouthing off about people and things they know nothing about.

    This blog is about foreigners living and working in Greece. It is not about idiots who live in the UK and want to make cheap political points showing what morally upright people they are. People should be judged by their actions, and I know that the majority of Greeks that I associate with share my views. I am also confident that I am respected and reported in Greek society because I hold these views with sincerity and justification. I don’t need to justify my experiences or viewpoints to an ignoramus in another country — no matter how many times he/she/it posts its inflammatory remarks.

  8. June 20, 2009    

    Congratulations, DD! You and your beloved are exactly how I hope my partner and I will be able to be towards each other when we hit our 15th year together (in five more years). I know I don’t comment very often, but I hope you know how much you mean to me.

    *hugs*

  9. Michael Scowcroft
    June 20, 2009    

    Xen,

    You’re bringing negative vibes into this very positive thread, man.
    You don’t really need to tell us about how great you are again. We already know how much you’re “respected” in Greece and how “justified” an author-cum-lecturer-cum-teacher you are, but when DD suggested we say something positive in this thread, she didn’t mean talking about ourselves.

    Post three things that you like about Greeks and their culture.

    This is the thread to do it – post something positive about Greeks and Greece for a change.

    positive, hopeful or inspiring. No negativity please. Just for one post

    Go on mate, let the love flow…

  10. Margaret
    June 20, 2009    

    You were born together, and together you shall be forevermore.
    You shall be together when the white wings of death scatter your days.
    Ay, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God.
    But let there be spaces in your togetherness,
    And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.

    Love one another, but make not a bond of love:
    Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
    Fill each other’s cup but drink not from one cup.
    Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf
    Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,
    Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.

    Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping.
    For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
    And stand together yet not too near together:
    For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
    And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other’s shadow.

    (Khalil Gibran)

    I somehow imagine that the two of you manage this very well. Congratulations and best wishes to you both! Have a happy weekend.

  11. June 20, 2009    

    Thank you to all those who have posted positive and loving thoughts on this thread. I should do this more often. It sometimes very challenging for people to embrace the positive when there is so much negativity around but I see that it is possible ! I am also really touched that people can really care about people they have never met. Doesn’t that tell you what we human beings are really capable of ? Wonderful and thank you.

    @Margeret
    That poem is beautiful and sooooo true.

    We strive to do this in our relationship. We don’t always succeed but we try! It’s sometimes hard to allow your partner to be his/her own person. Not to try and change them. In fact, I think that the very things that bring people together (their independence, strength, dynamism etc) often end up being the things we try and change.

    What great words to live by. Thank you

  12. June 20, 2009    

    Also by Khalil Gibran and made into a song by “Sweet Honey in the Rock”. This has been one of my favorites for years… I will try and find their version to link to later.

    Your children are not your children.
    They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.
    They come through you but not from you,
    And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

    You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
    For they have their own thoughts.
    You may house their bodies but not their souls,
    For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
    which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
    You may strive to be like them,
    but seek not to make them like you.

  13. Michael Scowcroft
    June 20, 2009    

    Konstantinos,

    Just as a word of concern, your blog is rapidly being taken over by Xenos and Michael’s UFC fight.

    I don’t approve of violence but i would gladly walk into a UFC cage with a racist – I would kick the living racism out of him.

    Right now, I can only “rattle the cage” of racists on this blog, rather than get into the cage with them.

    By the way, do you approve of the generalisations which Xenos makes about Greeks? Surely, these are offensive to you as a Greek as they would be to any nationality – i asked some Nigerians what they thought of Xenos’s latest gems: “Nigerians are keen on fraud” and “Nigerians have a peasant mentality” and they were absolutely horrified with these comments (I can post the Nigerian responses to Xenos comments if you wish, i have their permission). Why should it be any different when these comments are made against southern European people?
    Surely, we must confront and challenge these bigotted views (especially when they are made on a human rights blog)? Why are you criticising me for confronting these offensive statements, instead of directing your criticism on the person who is making these unnacceptable and racist comments?

    It was never my intention to disrupt or “take over” DD’s blog, but when i see obvious racism and bigotted views being made since 2005 by someone who is so clearly filled with negativity and hatred and hasn’t got ONE good thing to say about the people he lives and works with, then i have to confront this person and i expect everyone who values human rights and tolerance to do the same.

    Anyway, i will stop now because this thread is supposed to have a positive vibe about it and i don’t want to talk about negative people…(but this was the perfect opportunity for Xenos to write something positive about the Greek people and their culture after spending four years of posting poisonous and offensive abuse against the Greek culture and Greeks in general, but Xenos just can’t manage it. He can’t bring himself to post a solitary positive thing about Greeks and the marvellous southern European culture. This should tell you an awful lot about the hate he has for Greeks and Greece and what a totally negative and offensive person he is…)

  14. Xenos
    June 20, 2009    

    DD: I am sorry that even on this thread the unpleasant personal attacks have arisen, but it is not my fault. You know what the solution is, but you refuse to use it… Any blog should ban people who persist in making personal attacks.

    For the record, in response to the last vicious posting, I have never made any comments about Nigerians or Nigeria. Nor would I do so, since i know next to nothing about the people or the country. The way in which this blog has come to be dominated by a person who has no relation to Greece, and is thoroughly obnoxious in his lies and misrepresentations, is absurd. I have no desire to debate or discuss with the idiot.

    Anyway, please keep up the good work, DD: but remember, that there are many forms of evil. Some are less obvious than others.

  15. June 20, 2009    

    Well, this blog is positive and inspiring so this open thread is de facto a typical post of it. :)

  16. Margaret
    June 20, 2009    

    DD

    Thank you. You linked to the Sweet Honey on the Rock version on Stavros’s blog some time ago – and I loved it. I bought the CD and have since bought a couple more by them too, enjoying them very much, and have given them to friends. Thank you for introducing me to them.

    I also found a beautiful print of the poem on the wall in the house of one of my daughter’s friends – and I found the paper mill in France that produces it – on the web. I’ve now bought myself a copy, and another for a friend. My younger daughter is about to go to boarding school (her choice but sprung on us) and I have been feeling very sad – the poem helped remind me what my role as a parent is, to be that stable bow, but to let the arrows fly forth. Mind you, I wept as I read it …

    I’ll add a link below once I’ve found it!

  17. margaret
    June 20, 2009    

    Link to “Your Children”:

    p://eboutique.richarddebas.com/epages/e5202ebc-4810-11dd-b675-000d609a287c.sf/fr_FR/?ObjectPath=/Shops/e5202ebc-4810-11dd-b675-000d609a287c/Categories/C0060/C0061

  18. Michael Scowcroft
    June 21, 2009    

    I have never made any comments about Nigerians or Nigeria.

    I won’t write a long reply to our resident racist because this isn’t the thread for it, so i’ll keep it short and sweet.

    Xen,
    Why don’t you refrain from posting in this thread unless you have something positive to post about southern European people and Greeks in particular – after all, positivity is what this thread is about :) let’s see if you have an ounce of positivity in you to post something positive about Greeks.

    So please, as DD said, give us something positive, hopeful or inspiring. No negativity please. Just for one post.

    “Nigerians are keen on fraud”

    “Nigerians have a peasant mentality”

    ^I didn’t say you made these comments about Nigerians. I said that your abusive comments and offensive generalisations about Greeks are just as unnacceptable as if they were made against any other nationality, including Nigerians.
    If generalisations about Nigerians are obviously unnacceptable to all tolerant and fair-minded people (and Nigerians themselves find your comments unnacceptable), then the same must be said about your generalisations about Greeks. Otherwise, there is a glaringly obvious contradiction which only a racist would be comfortable with.

  19. Travlos Konstantinos
    June 21, 2009    

    Indeed Michael generalizations are bad, and un-scientific. Whether they are for Nigerians, Greeks, or even British eh?

    Let us celebrate DD’s call to love by promising for a month not to use generalizations on her blog. Eh? Not hard right?

  20. Xenos
    June 21, 2009    

    Well, Konstantine, are you sure that you understand exactly what it was that I said in the past? Are you sure that you read the whole context of the postings? As I recall, I was subjected to sustained aggressive and nationalistic abuse for making correct (and helpful) scientific statements. I chose to explain that abuse in terms of the Greek peasant culture and the lack of openmindedness that accompanies such.

    Insofar as characterising a culture is concerned, who are you (plural) to tell me that it is not scientific? I disagree. I think it is very clear that Greece has become a society of fraud and deceit. i do not care what political correctness prevails in my destroyed homeland, where ignorance now rules supreme. Nor do I care what Greeks in the USA think about this. What matters is what normal educated people living in Greece think about this characterisation: and they agree with it.

    Again, I apologise DD for this negative posting. When I am continually attacked, I do not know how you expect me to deal with this. I am not going to change my mind because some idiots here think they know what racism is, and then choose to use the word to describe me. I know better than anyone here what racism is about, and I can assure you that accurate and factually based descriptions of a society do not constitute any sort of racism. The fact that some idiots think otherwise is of no interest to me: the world is full of idiots who think they are smart.

  21. June 21, 2009    

    Again, thank you to those who posted positive comments.

    @Margaret
    Best of luck to your daughter at her new school. As hard as it must be for you, you are respecting her choices and allowing her to spread her wings.

    @Xenos
    What a shame that you had to derail this thread as well. All you had to do is respond with a positive comment. Just one. You must have realised now that I am not going to ban either you or Micheal. I refuse to give either of you the satisfaction of “winning” on my blog. What Michael and many others (including myself) have said to you about your generalisations are valid and need addressing. You even repeat your assertions in your last comment. Can you really not see that writing “the Greek peasant culture” etc is offensive to all Greeks whether “educated” or not.

    I really don’t care what the so-called “educated” people in your circles have to say about it. On a human level, if I heard you lot discussing ANY group of people in that kind of base and ignorant way, I would be disgusted.

    I know better than anyone here what racism is about

    Let me assure you that you don’t. And it is insulting and ridiculous that you claim that you do. Walk for five minutes in my shoes (and the hundreds of other people who frequent my blog) and you’ll realise that you don’t.

    I am not going to ban either you or Micheal for two reasons. Firstly, the discussion about overt and covert racism is important. You are grown ups and I think you can handle having that discussion. You don’t need me to hold your hand or protect you from nasty comments when you have written them yourselves.

    Secondly, I believe that people can change and grow from such situations. Many people have told you that they find your comments offensive. You have (for the moment) chosen to hide behind your “scientific” “academic” and “educated” background. At some point, I wish you could look at this as a human being. Put yourself in the position of those Greeks (and they are not just Greek Americans) who are hurt and offended by your comments. Just imagine if you had made those comments about people of colour and I had been hurt and offended ? Would you have refused to look at the issue and question your own racism and prejudice?

    I am not asking you to publicly declare anything or apologise or backtrack. All I ask is that you think about it honestly. This is not about personal attacks. I am not saying you are a terrible person because you hold these views. I believe that an honest and open evaluation of why your comments have caused such widespread offense would reveal something valuable to you.

    Please email me if you would prefer to have this discussion off-blog.

  22. Xenos
    June 21, 2009    

    DD: I did n not derail this thread, and I do not succumb to pressure to do as someone else tells me. If you cannot cope with the honest description of Greece as a peasant culture, then this shows that you know nothing about the modern history of Greece. It is a factual comment, and explains a GREAT deal of what is going wrong now in Greece. Furthermore, as I mentioned above, this comment arose not as an attack on Greece but as an explanation of what was being said here in earlier threads.

    I am not a politician and it is not my job to pander to the uneducated propaganda of any country. I see my work as actually fighting such propaganda and “certainties”, and trying to educate people about what is really happening. You obviously haven’t got it, but the Greek government and most of the political parties have recently engaged in open warfare against “lathrometanastes” — that is, almost everyone who is not Greek or with EU citizenship. This political propaganda is now very serious — and childish arguments about who is racist and who is politically correct are quite irrelevant. What matters is what is happening on the streets and borders of Greece.

    In terms of the concept of racism, I am amazed that people think they can hijack a word to mean whatever they like. Feel free to do it, but don’t expect any respect or agreement from me. I have nothing against the “race” of Greeks (doubtful as the concept of race is), and a lot against the way in which the Greek culture operates. This is not racism, whatever your politically correct friends may tell you. I will not be silenced by loudmouthed bullying and threats, wherever they may come from.

    Finally, I should say that if you really think that someone with absolutely no grasp of what is going on in Greece, and a British leftist politically correct mentality, has much to offer us in the very difficult situation in Greece, then I think you are wrong. A profound understanding of centuries of Greek history is needed, along with a real knowledge of contemporary Greek society and polity. The debate with Greek nationalists is difficult enough as it is, without the downright stupidities of interfering moralists from the UK.

  23. Travlos Konstantinos
    June 21, 2009    

    To be fair Michael fired the first salvo in this round.

    Xenos: indeed it is not racism. What about chauvinism? or culturalism? I am fully aware of the context since I went and read the problematic posts.

    As for me not understanding Greece, with all due respect I have grown up in Greece and lived there 20 years. Gone through the full socialisation (school, university army)
    Have you done this?

    To say that Greek society is still a peasant society and that all Greeks are peasants is not factual because you have not a)defined what peasant means b)provided us with a theory c) provide us with hypothesis d) provided us with an operationalisation e) a method of study (comparative, large n, case study).

    I am sorry but once you claim scientific validity you do need to provide these things or the citations for people who have done so.Otherwise you are just telling people “believe me for I am right”.

    I am not saying that you don’t have a point, but the way you make it is a)arrogant b) condescending. Not that me or others have not fallen in that trap.

    Aret there Greeks that fit the mentality you say? You betcha. There are also others that do not. And not all of them are educated.

  24. Xenos
    June 21, 2009    

    Konstantine: I accept all your points. The Greek American jibe was not intended for you, because it was always clear that you have a good knowledge of Greece. i have had some encounters with well-meaning Greek Americans who understand little, and end up looking more nationalistic than LAOS.

    On the point of culturalism, perhaps there is an issue to be debated. The peasant culture is not about Greeks being peasants: it is about how values are formulated and expressed, how politics is organised, how urbanisation was focused on Athens and caught up in political patronage… I don’t think I ever said that Greeks are peasants, since this would be incorrect. However, they are not really urbanised either.

    Insofar as exceptions are concerned, there are always plenty. In social science we are resigned to them, but they do not invalidate general observations. But thank you for your comments, which I appreciate.

  25. June 21, 2009    

    You are right. To be fair, Michael kicked this off

    I look forward to reading the three things that Xenos actually likes about Greeks and their culture :)

    The floor is yours Xenos…

    but he (as I had done on this thread) asked for positive comments. In reaction to his challenge, perhaps it would have been better to respond with at least one positive comment. You know… to break the ice ? There’s no harm in that is there?

    Anyway, I’m going to respond with a positive comment of my own.

    I had a fabulous weekend despite my painful neck and thank you for all the emails, facebook messages and tweets about my fifteen years of fierce love! I appreciate it so much.

  26. Michael Scowcroft
    June 22, 2009    

    DD,

    I had a fabulous weekend despite my painful neck

    Good on you DD, I’m glad you had a postive weekend and your neck is getting better. Talking about pain in the necks,

    Xenos,
    No one has a problem with you commenting about the Greek state’s shortcomings or failures. You have a right to point them out and express our opinions. But there’s a difference between making a point about a country’s government in a constructive and respectful way and making condescending and offensive comments about the people of the country and their culture.
    You’ve said many times that Greeks have a “peasant mentality”, that Greek culture makes Greeks likely to be homophobic, that Greeks are beggars of EU money, that Greeks are keen of fraud etc etc. You’ve been making these kinds of comments ever since 2005. I am absolutely astounded that you can make these generalisations but not recognise that they are offensive and totally unacceptable.
    It makes no difference whether you’ve lived and worked in Greece for many years, this does not excuse your totsally unwarranted stereotyping of Greeks. Otherwise, some racist Afrikaans can excuse their racism towards the blacks of Zimbabawe on the basis that they “lived there for many years and we know black culture”.
    It is highly offensive for anyone to stereotype ANY nationality and if you doubt this, here are what some Nigerians think of your generalisations I substitued “Greeks” for “Nigerians”):

    “Nigerians are keen on fraud”

    “Nigerians will continue begging for charity money whilst doing nothing to earn it. The amazing thing is that these people are actually proud of their inability to work, to think, or to get things to function properly”

    “Nigerian cultural values make Nigerians likely to be homophobic”

    Cretins have opinions too

    And so, an unrelated comment gets left on my blog on the Nigerian census by someone seeking some information about certain views people have of Nigerians.

    A Michael left a comment and an email on my blog, this is my message to Michael.

    Well, Michael, I would not waste my time responding to that kind of stuff; cretins, nonentities, idiots and ignorant people write blogs too.

    However, just because people can publish outrageous, unfounded and stupid views does not mean they can suddenly be taken seriously and given the oxygen of polite debate.

    You probably have the opinions and research done already by yourself, not necessarily on opposing the supposedly offensive content of the assumedly racist blog but in your experiences with Nigerians, in school, at work and the social rapport that allows you to eat their in homes.

    If at any time you noticed any of those traits, that is unfortunate; if however, you have been opportuned to meet Nigerians and they are generally good-natured, good humoured, considerate and understanding and there are many out of that 140 million population and many more wonderful Africans in the world, you have been blessed.

    At the risk of flogging a dead horse, your fellow Brit is probably beyond the realms of redeeming knowledge to change his interesting views and in closing, I happen to be both a Brit and a Nigerian, I have no problems with either of those people, or rather, my people.

    I think we are equally nice and interesting people who are open to new experiences when we allow circumstances fostering new outlooks to thrive.

    Sometimes, generalisations like that are the refuge of the unfulfilled and the bitter, they should not find succour in unnecessary propagation to those who think castigating others gives them some superiority, frankly, you should be concerned if you were ever impressed.

    Thanks for leaving a comment.
    Regards,
    ******

    Nigerian poster #2:
    ****** had said it all and it worries me that a lot of people generalise in all issues. I have being trying to correct a lot of generalisations and some I lost my sleep over. It shows the level of the persons’ development and mindset.
    There are lots of things we cannot afford to lose sleep over.

    I could only speak for myself, in the end, it is left for people to believe the best of everyone or believe the worst of anyone and be the poorer for wonderful experiences we can have in this world.

    The few people that besmirch the great name of Britain or Nigeria are in no way representative of the majority that are definitely better than the bad eggs and black sheep.

    Nigerian poster #3:
    @Michael: Xenos is so wrong in generalising. He cannot know Nigerians more people that were born and raised here. There are lot of us that know some people could be bad, unreasonable etc but it’s not enough for Xenos to generalise. I dont know how many Nigerians this fellow has met, how many states he has visited but he’s statement is so untrue and he should apologise.
    This belief will in everyway colour his judgement and how he relate with Nigerians. He has got a big problem. And I think you should go back to me and tell him what you quoted above.

  27. Michael Scowcroft
    June 22, 2009    

    To be fair Michael fired the first salvo in this round.

    Konstantinos, when DD opened a positivity thread and requested some positive messages, I thought it would be the perfect opportunity for Xenos to post something positive about Greek culture. It wouldn’t hurt him to do so, would it? Especially after his four years of posting bile against Greeks.
    I don’t see how requesting positivity from Xenos can be equated to “firing of salvoes”. I think internet wars are pathetic, I have no intention of firing metaphorical salvoes at anyone. But when arrogant Brits make offensive comments on human rights blogs (for four years!), you can expect a reaction from me. Anyway, I think it’s the opposite, I didn’t light the blue touchpaper, I held out an olive branch (I already suggested that we should agree to disagree), I asked Xenos for positive vibes, I asked for flowers not guns, peace not confrontation, for positivity not negatitivty. And look what I got in return:

    British leftist politically correct idiot

    loudmouthed bully

    downright stupidities of interfering moralists from the UK

    Greek peasant culture and the lack of openmindedness

    it is very clear that Greece has become a society of fraud and deceit

    I am not going to change my mind because some idiots here

    The fact that some idiots think otherwise is of no interest to me: the world is full of idiots who think they are smart.

    ^Just pure bile, hatred and negativity.

    Whereas a more positive energy emanates from other people:

    Xenos, What a shame that you had to derail this thread as well. All you had to do is respond with a positive comment. Just one.

    Wasn’t too much to ask Xenos. Why can’t you you bring yourself to give a little love towards Greek people?

  28. Michael Scowcroft
    June 22, 2009    

    I am not saying you are a terrible person because you hold these views.

    DD, I genuinely respect and admire your tolerance of Xenos, but I think you’re being far too kind to a person who calls people “peasants” and “beggars” and dismisses a whole culture on the basis of hatred.
    Xenos has been stereotyping and abusing southern Europeans for over four years and thus he deserves the label of a terrible bigot – when he learns to grow out of his obvious cultural hatreds, only THEN can we drop this label.
    Just as a criminal is still labelled a criminal as long as he continues committing crime, Xenos is still a bigot as long as he makes his generalisations and offensive stereotypes.

  29. Michael Scowcroft
    June 22, 2009    

    Xenos,

    I was subjected to sustained aggressive and nationalistic abuse for making correct (and helpful) scientific statements.

    You claim to come from a scientific background but you fail to recognise that generalisations are unscientific by definition. You continue to offer generalisations and offensive stereotyping as if they can be proven in science. Let me tell you something you bigot, the ONLY “scientists” who were peddling generalisations based on race or nationality were Nazi philosophers and doctors of Auschwitz-Birkenau such as Josef Mengele. What scientific study did you read to suggest that Greeks have a “peasant mentality”? Maybe you used the same science book which British racists studied and then forced 115 Roma immigrants from their homes in Belfast? Racism and stereotyping is not scientific, it comes from arbitrary beliefs based on ignorance and hatred.

  30. Xenos
    June 22, 2009    

    DD: I have explained to you politely and carefully that I am not interested to debate with an idiot who has no relation to Greece. He continuously insults and slamders ME PERSONALLY, and has no grasp of anything at all.

    Clearly you just don’t get what has happened on your blog, which is that it has been taken over by someone with what appears to be a minor psychiatric condition. I am sick of explaining to you that the libellous remarks he makes about individuals on this and other blogs are unacceptable. You have been manipulated, to the detriment of what used to be an interesting blog for debate on important issues in Greece.

  31. June 22, 2009    

    I have count of the number of times I’ve had similar negative complaints when I wrote about Greek issues on my blog. The message seems to be, “stop writing things I disagree with.” Or “how dare you write about such matters?” when will these anonymous trolls realise that debate involves hearing all manner of opinions, even ones you do not like.

    I really do think they’d prefer to live in a place like North Korea where you get to crush anyone voicing ideas you disagree with.

  32. June 22, 2009    

    @ Xenos

    I am sick of explaining to you that the libellous remarks he makes about individuals on this and other blogs are unacceptable. You have been manipulated, to the detriment of what used to be an interesting blog for debate on important issues in Greece.

    I think I am big enough and intelligent enough to figure out who is manipulating who, don’t you ? I have successfully run this blog for four years (which reminds me I need to do a birthday post!) and I think I know it (and myself) better than anyone.

    I am also sick and tired of being told how to run my blog !

    I am genuinely sorry that you no longer find this blog interesting but I am fairly confident that most people do not share your view.

    I have explained to you politely and carefully that I am not interested to debate with an idiot who has no relation to Greece

    Why do you continue to debate with him then ? And why do you continue to call those people who disagree with you “idiots”? Isn’t that the same as the name calling you accuse others of doing ?

    Please remember this is just a blog. You choose whether to engage or not. It’s really simple.

  33. savannah
    June 22, 2009    

    Enough Xenos ! You are really boring and annoying. You keep repeating that we are peasants. We get it ! You think we’re peasants! Go away and let the grown ups discuss the issues.

  34. Michael Scowcroft
    June 22, 2009    

    @Michael: Xenos is so wrong in generalising….I dont know how many Nigerians this fellow has met, how many states he has visited but he’s statement is so untrue and he should apologise.

    It’s quite obvious that Xenos owes an apology to Greeks.

  35. Stassa
    June 23, 2009    

    Drat. I’m sorry I’m late, hopefully not too late to be sorry! Warm wishes for another 15 years to you and your loved one, Devious Diva.

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