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Same Sex Marriage

From The Advocate

A lesbian pair will be the first same-sex couple to marry in a Greek civil ceremony next week, taking advantage of a loophole in a 1982 law that fails to specify gender for civil unions. The couple will be married by the mayor of the Kessariani quarter of Athens, who belongs to the radical liberal Syriza party, the Agence France-Press reported Thursday.

Gay rights activists said that had the mayor refused to perform the ceremony, they would have petitioned the Greek Council of State.

The wedding announcement comes a day after Olke — Greece’s top gay rights group — announced that they would appeal to the government for same-sex marriage and adoption rights for gays and lesbians, as well as denounce a proposed bill that would limit unions exclusively to heterosexuals. The activists said that Greece’s marriage legislation violates the European human rights convention. The government currently opposes gay marriage and bars gays from its military.

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13 Comments

  1. danilena
    March 14, 2008    

    go girls !

  2. blue cave
    March 14, 2008    

    Yeah right! It was about time!!!!
    Fucking homophobe system!

  3. Xenos
    March 14, 2008    

    What is so ridiculous and hypocritical is that people in Greece gossip about how almost every public figure is secretly gay, then in the next sentence make some homophobic remark. If so many people are gay, how does it make sense to describe homosexuality as an abnormal thing? And what is the point of refusing to follow the European acceptance of same-sex marriages?

    On the other hand, we know that most Greek people in any position of power are corrupt, yet nobody seems bothered to attack this as abnormal. Stealing money is clearly a good thing to do, whereas human relationships are bad unless the Greek Church has approved of them.

  4. March 14, 2008    

    Inneresting! I’d love to hear what the church has to say on this. Just this morning I was listening to a priest passionately saying that civil marriages don’t actually count as a real marriage, but the church would baptise the kids of such a marriage anyway because “it’s not their fault.”

    Thanks, papa, I sure am relieved to hear that. Make sure you don’t get your beard caught in that giant baptism bakshish till, won’t you.

  5. March 14, 2008    

    DD it is all over the news so they did hear

    bollybutton the archbishop HAS commented on this -as well as on the free partnership pact issue- as usual in a moderate mild way as everyone has said; pls do not confuse papades with the Church just as you should not confuse anyo citizen with the state

  6. March 14, 2008    

    I am looking forward to this landmark ceremony. I will post updates and hopefully pictures when and if I get them. I haven’t spotted any tabloid press coverage yet. Perhaps they haven’t heard the news yet. I am holding my breath for the media circus.

    I wonder what the public reaction will be ? I

  7. Kat
    March 15, 2008    

    This is a wonderful thing, however the state will still not recognize the union as legal on contracts, for permits or insurance, much as it won’t recognize gay marriages that took place outside of Greece. The EU High Court of Justice has already taken Greece to task on this issue, and there’s been no movement. Even if GR is found guilty in the end, we all know that enforcement of an EU directive is quite another thing and could take years.

  8. March 15, 2008    

    Kat

    Coud you please give specifics on this EJC ruling that I am not aware of as you are not quite right about force of implementation in Greece of such rulings.

  9. March 15, 2008    

    Yes, I’m seeing it all over the media now. I was looking yesterday during the day! Perhaps it wasn’t considered a suitable subject for housewives 😉

    This morning the shouting boxes are in full flow…

  10. Anonymous
    March 16, 2008    

    Why is this event so wonderful? Aside from it simply being anti-authoritarian, how is it benefiting society? I find the glee exhibited here a bit preposterous.

  11. March 17, 2008    

    Here’s a campaign on the new bill. I wholeheartedly support it and hopefully the new legislation will be extended to homosexual couples.

    GREEK BLOGGERS AGAINST DISCRIMINATION

    In Greece gays, lesbians and transexuals know about discrimination. They face it daily from their families, in their social lives and in the professional field.

    But sometimes, all it takes is a single straw to break the camel’s back.

    According to press reports, the greek government is preparing to introduce a domestic partnership “contract” EXCLUSIVELY for unmarried heterosexual couples. We do not believe that a mere “contract” can resolve the issues same-sex couples face or ensure their fair treatment under the law. However this discriminatory proposal is a direct contravention of the greek Constitution, as well as european human rights treaties. Especially since same-sex couples already enjoy legal rights in 18 european nations.

    The aim of this intervention is to make sure that european institutions, human rights organisations, websites and weblogs from around the world learn about these proposals. What we ask for is equal rights for all. Nothing more and nothing less.

    This time around we will not sit idly by. This time around we will not keep silent.

    Via roides and http://www.gayrightsgreece.blogspot.com/

  12. March 18, 2008    

    Bollybutton, the church puts it in far more explicit terms than just “saying that civil marriages don’t actually count as a real marriage”. Panayote Dimitras, I do not know about the archbishop, but the “Standing Holy Synode” has just decreed that any marriage except church marriage is considered as prostitution by the church, and of course this is an insult to all those who are married with a civil wedding.

    For those of you who read greek, here it is:
    http://www.ecclesia.gr/greek/holysynod/holysynod.asp?id=996&what_sub=d_typou
    (perform a text search for “????”)

    (I am not going to expand on this issue since it is off-topic.)

  13. March 18, 2008    

    Hi Diagoras,
    If you would like to expand on this subject, you are very welcome to do so here

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